What is going on? Mars and Chiron in Pisces

Editor’s Note: This is a letter we sent to the PW “Sample List” on Friday. I’ve received some amazing responses via email, which I’m posting at the bottom (with permission; anonymously, if requested). – amanda

Yesterday I ran into a friend of mine who said, “Amanda, I was thinking of calling you. What is going on astrologically right now?” She was feeling worked up with rage — much of it tied directly to a past lifetime but triggered by a current event — and intuition was telling her something bigger than herself was in the mix.

Photo in Krakow, Poland by Eric Francis.
Photo in Krakow, Poland by Eric Francis.

I mentioned the current Chiron transits in Pisces: Mars conjunct Chiron which was exact yesterday, and Mercury-Chiron earlier this week. Anything aspecting Chiron will bring the theme of old wounds surfacing into awareness, calling on us to take action in addressing and healing them. For some of us, this may mean injury from a year ago, decades ago or even from past lifetimes, as was the case for her.

We were able to connect the dots: Mercury-Chiron related to her speaking up on a community issue, being called ‘unpatriotic’ for her opinion, and her anger and disbelief that no one else would speak up about that. It totally triggered her most recent past life, in which she was enraged that no one else would speak up about the atrocities she was seeing in Nazi Germany. That is an intense, deep wound to her determination to communicate, and her inner male/warrior is raging over being restricted in the ability to take action. Enter Mars-Chiron.

In general, Mars-Chiron is bringing up intense energy around men, our masculine side, drive, gender rage, suppressed desire, homophobia, sex and the ways these themes impact our relationships. Eric told me the checkout girl at the health food store just asked him, “So why is half the store breaking up with their partner?” The friction of Mars-Chiron involves taking action on the awareness we’re being granted, and is playing out as relationship dramas for some. Many are seeing how certain relationships are not quite ‘real’, and they are realigning under the tension. With the conjunctions to Chiron happening in Pisces, we’re all feeling this awareness very deeply and emotionally; which means we’ll also feel when we’re moving in the right direction, regardless how our intellect may try to rationalize stasis. Stasis simply is not an option, if we’re serious about healing.

We’re seeing Mars-Chiron play out in the wider world, too. President Obama just directed the Justice Department not to uphold the Defense of Marriage Act. Not only does this shine some light on the homophobia that drove that legislation, but it opens the door to considering what constitutes ‘real’ relationships on a cultural level. One could say Gaddafi’s brutal attacks on his own citizens in Libya are a case of Martian energy gone toxic, flaring in a way that has gotten the world’s attention. Chiron turns our collective focus toward Libya’s need to heal its society. Some of us are starting to wake up to the parallels in our own.

The question is, how are you feeling these Chiron transits in Pisces? Are you all flow? Consumed in a whirl of rage like my friend? Suddenly questioning an intimate relationship that no longer feels right for you? Encountering inner conflict and guilt over your sexual desires?

I’m curious to hear, if you are interested in sharing. Either email me at amanda [at] planetwaves.net or simply post a response here. Whatever you’re feeling, you’re not alone.

20 thoughts on “What is going on? Mars and Chiron in Pisces”

  1. better late than never, michele!

    sounds like you’ve found the key to what you’re sorting through, and it all sounds pretty charged. glad you have the tub option to steep it all, concentrate it, and then let it down the drain (or whatever your preferred metaphor).

    🙂

    yes, my dreams have been veeeeeeerrrrrrrry intersting this past month-plus. wheels are turning, for sure.

  2. Again. Late to the party. If it can be believed, it was a long soak in a hothot bath in the middle of a very snotty sob-fest that I put these past many weeks (maybe a few months) together tonight. (And now… um… yes, sure, looking forward to the coming weeks.)

    Natal Chiron at 29 41 Pisces. Which I now (???) understand is an Aries point placement. It aspects more than a few already-hot spots. I was looking at other moving bodies but I think, now, that I am literally re-living bad bad moments. Or, rather, I am re-living my methods of dealing with those bad bad moments. I haven’t put together the procession and matched it… But I have felt, in turn, perfect calm, explosion out of my heart space, frittering under my skin, some kind of weird reversion to a bad relationship with food and the attendant body issues from my teens, sexual desire off the chart, past ideas about writing and my relationship to writing, deaths or possible deaths, my mother, my father… and the list goes on. These blast through me. And these range from early childhood to quite recent experiences.

    I’m in a bring it mood. And with Eris, Saturn and Black Moon Lilith placed between the Aries Point, BML on the MC… I see that this is not going to stop anytime soon. I may not have a garden but I have a bathtub, and I’ll be thinking about gardens whilst immersed in the watery heat.

    I am, with all that, feeling protective of others. Back to the archives for more insight, I guess. And paying attention to my dreams. And letting these things pass through me. I must have been holding on pretty tightly. I find my initial reaction to be the same as the old one, then I become aware of the feeling and my reaction, and then I try to gently let it pass and move on to another way of relating to that long-gone but obviously still-present experience. Some do confound me though… They feel familiar but I can’t identify them.

    I must say that reading Planet Waves has been soothing as much as its steepened my learning curve.

    And what have I been saying to everyone around me? I need a learning curve.

    This just really wasn’t the one I was expecting.

  3. lucky you, elizabeth! sounds beautiful… i was just left by my most recent beloved after making a mistake the nature of which i’m not sure i understand… i tried to make amends for hurting him – although it was an accident i think i hurt him very badly – but he walked away without a discussion let alone a fight, with barely an acknowledgment of what had occurred… i miss him… the silence is hard, to be punished by the withholding of any and all communication and therefore not much hope of ever really knowing what happened, what he felt and thought, what was triggered, and the abandonment … but it helps a bit to know that there is something larger at work here… perhaps it wasn’t just that i was stupid and thoughtless, perhaps i inadvertently walked onto a mine field.

  4. ..are we ready to lose?

    ..Everything?

    ..

    (hey, welcome to aries friends)

    ..nothing will ever be the same, and we can smile about ourselves.

    I Love Me. (I mean YOU!)

    Bless You All

    LOVE

    Jere

  5. whohooooo!!  FIRE….I’m on fire….energy swirling, powerful, and fabulously sensual…..my shaman lover and i are having mythical lovemaking sessions and more and more recently, i am no “body” at all….just a huge spacious energy of love and sex!!   incredible flowing and deep visions as well……..  I am adoring this transit!

    (tried to send thru blog but couldn’t figure that out…)

    i gottta ton of chiron energy so maybe that is why it is so pronounced……..whatever….thank you COSMOS!!!… elizabeth

  6. Hazel1 — this one has a message to you… – amanda
    ******************************************************

    Hi, Amanda….

    I don’t know if you are still interested in mail regarding Chiron, but just in case, thanks for doing this kind of post because your writing is very accessible and i never feel like i should know more about what is going on when i clearly don’t.

    So, first off, I’m a Pisces and this Chiron return is something i’ve been looking forward to…Right now, I am not angry or notice any man stuff other than what i already own. More of what is happening for me is an access to clarity, to new ways of thinking. Most of these insights come through pain of delusion, but I’ve done lots of that without finding the eventual kindness and release that i am now able to access. I’ve been meditating regularly for the past several months, and find that it helps me probe into myself with more safety than before when it would be just torture.

    One thought for Hazel, who was encountering some odd experiences with flashing lights. This a.m. I had a migraine flasher, which for me is a precursor to the headache. This is a flashing strobe-like critter that starts teeny and then grows in an arc-like shape to eventually take over my vision. The whole sequence of flashing lasts about 30 minutes. I’ve had these since i was a kid, and they usually make me ill because i know what comes next.

    However, this morning, rather than be stoic and fight the thing as my body is well trained to do, I decided to be there with it and ask it what it wanted to teach me. It flashed beautifully for a while (lots of color and zig-zag blinking strobes), and I started to weep because I had never understood before that it was an entity that had a reason, and a story to tell.

    Migraines can allegedly be caused by lots of repressions (pick your flavor). I am learning that I am a very tightly self-controlled person who really does not have any use for that control anymore. That control has sent me through worlds of denial, depression and alcohol abuse, and these behaviors are just plain tiresome.

    So, please Hazel, know that your lights are real, and they might have something important to tell you right now because Chiron is there to show us these things. Eric always says that its influence is real, not just theoretical. It is actual. Chiron acts. and through its action, we can become aware, and the awareness can help us heal. I believe……!

    Best to y’all at Planet Waves. you folks are the intrepid guides leading me into my best possible universe.

  7. Hi Amanda, I am a daily reader & was struck by your post “What is going on?!!!” – I added those ! as that is how it has felt 
    for me…”What the f***K is going on ?!!!!”  is another alternative….

    I’ve felt this as an unstoppable wave of FURY (power surge is apt) triggered by political events in WI
    and the recent attempt to annihilate all social programs that benefit the millions of poor people in this country
    in guise of reducing the budget (as you know, this won’t dent the budget at all, merely destroy people at the
    shrine of ideology, while the tax cuts to the wealthy and the wars that did create the deficit will go untouched…

    ok, see?  that’s what happens.  I begin to rant and rave (that person next to you in traffic yelling, all alone, in their
    car? that’s me) and feel so consumed by this rage that I literally feel as if a geyser is blowing up through me. 
    I breathe, walk, engage with others, etc.  but it is still always there. I take action, but that doesn’t dissipate
    or channel this angry energy.

    I had never connected it with gender/sexuality before your post…but I realized after reading that I did come of
    age in the 60s and 70s and as a young girl felt I constantly (and angrily) had to assert my voice and my 
    self against a society that constantly held me (and my boyfriends too!) to an obsolete and dysfunctional 
    gendered identity, that also drove wars and profits for some, devastating loss for others.

    See how long this email is? it’s like I can’t shut up!  Most frustrating is it has completely derailed my creative
    work. I had been revising an ms. and I am so angry and distracted by my anger I can’t work…I am a Sag w. Aires rising…right now I am just trying to ride the wave rather than let it ride me, and understand that
    this energy is connected to, and not opposing, creativity.

    Thanks to you and Eric, Planet Waves is an oasis for me, and thanks for the chance to connect and
    vent!

  8. Jere – hope you pick this up. It’s been a long time since I posted on here (busy, lots to do! lots to change) however I visit often for a quick scan on the latest PW news and just caught your post on this page. I want to say how ‘good’ you sound. Whatever you are doing in your life right now, you are coming over loud and clear. Sending best wishes to you. Hazel.

  9. I totally agree with you Quality 1. You named the reason I return to Planet Waves everyday. Eric and all the others preserve and support my sanity. That’s quite a responsibility and I sincerely appreciate their enormous effort in keeping it “honest”. In quotes only for lack of a better word. Thank you all.

  10. Dear Amanda and Eric,

    Thanks for the penetrating insight on the interesting times we live in. Your Chiron material has helped me keep a lid on my responses to some profoundly difficult and unjust situations in my life. Living with a slew of natal planets, asteroids, and south node in my 12th house currently being visited by (transiting) Saturn in Libra, I’d like to highly recommend this site as a preserver and supporter of sanity. Sometimes the only aspect of life we can control is our reaction to it.

  11. ..Hey all, not to be the deflater of wishes but,.. this transit Doesn’t End. This isn’t a ‘shit comes around and then we get back to normal (mundane).’ Change is the only constant. Sure, Mars/Chiron in Pisces will pass.. but the Sky continues.

    I’m trined my natal mars at 0 Cancer retrograde in the 12th, so the light is pretty nice for me to do my job, of living. I’ve had to cut some knee-jerk reactionary emotional ties, but every Free Adult has the Liberty to fuck themselves up if they want.. I can disengage. I also, can stand my ground for the environment I’m willing to work with,.. and if some jack-ass wants to screw that up,.. given the ok from those who hold authority, I’ll drag that jack-ass into the cold streets and leave them to die. I don’t care to deal with repetition of a toxic nature (yes, I am catylising Myself).

    Saturn in Libra IS still a huge player. Especially sitting exactly (16) on my natal Venus conjunct Pluto. In the 4th no less, which is my Solar 11th.

    ..I think what I’ve said is a little random and stream of consciousness, but thanks for letting me exhale…

    Jere

  12. Thanks Amanda – really good to acknowledge this post. Am feeling the intense energy around men. That with Saturn in Libra retrograde is really sending me bananas…..

    Any chance that you could tell me when this aspect’s going to end? The Mars and Chiron in Pisces…

  13. Hazel1 and Amanda. I have had a few events that seem the opposite of power surges– more like power “stalls”, where life energy seems to nearly stop. It is very odd.

  14. you know hazel, between chiron’s action (esp in conjunction with other planets) and the solar flares, “power surges” sounds quite apt…

  15. “unfit to live” comes up for me all the time lately, it’s a very dark feeling, and then I have these moments when I kind of feel like I’m floating and not even human anymore and the light is very bright. It’s not normal. This thing where the light is on, then off, then on, then off, that switch flicking thing. Chiron is coming back to where it was when I was born, by the way, maybe some power surges that make the lights flicker? Don’t know.

  16. I just read your piece and wanted to share what is happening in my
    world presently. Earlier this week my wife had a break with reality
    and checked herself into an in-patient facility. She has been
    experiencing a huge amount of sadness at the unexpected breakup of her
    and one of her lover’s, amongst other triggers. A good friend of mine
    called when I was leaving the hospital after a visit with my wife and
    he said he was getting a divorce. In my conversations with him he
    noted that several other people he knew were also changing
    relationship status.

    It seems as if there is a massive tearing apart and realignment
    occurring. I can only hope that it resolves itself soon.

  17. Thank you so much for sending this information out. I’ve been wondering why some old issues with a male friend have come back up for me in the last few days. A year in to our friendship, we talked about whether adding sex to the mix was a good idea and we agreed not to scramble up a good thing.

    Over time I’ve been aware of twinges now and then as he has moved through girlfriends while he has said a few times that his family thinks we are supposed to be together and that they like me better than anyone else.

    Last night, I dreamed that we were in bed together and about to make love when someone came into the house. He got up and took a shower while I stewed about the missed opportunity. Then I got out of bed, went to him as he was dressing and told him that I wanted him Then I woke up remembering the dream vividly, thinking I was going nuts and wondering why this was coming up now.

  18. Morning Amanda, 

    That last phrase ” you’re not alone” was especially important to me today because it is exactly how I felt after receiving 2 scathing e-mails from my oldest son.  My youngest  son is already not talking to me.  In other words a lot of pain is being regurgitated and I am glad,  but I am at the same time in tears.  I ask ” what failure could have so impoverished my existence?” 

    It hurts so bad that all I could  think of was another phrase I saw this morning while reading a book called The Psychology of Self-Esteem, that I bought in 1972 when I was trying to figure out how I could help my ex-husband and the father of my children.  It is my exact feeling this morning:
    “Man’s greatest fear is not that of dying, but of being unfit to live”.  I have felt “unfit to live”  before: coincidentally at my 1st Saturn return!!

    Fortunately, I have supporters and one of them is my youngest sister with whom I chatted awhile ago.  Of course, she understood.  It’s easy to talk to her because she has been a big part of me and life all along. 

    For your information my Asc is in Virgo and I have Natal Mars in Pisces just to give you an idea of the energies at play for me.

    thanks for your great article and for wanting to know about how others are feeling this.  While all this baffles me – I am so confused as to what to do – your sharing does help.  I hope mine might also help someone not feel so alone and confused.

  19. I’ve been noodling over a situation for weeks and am curious if you’d classify it as pertaining to the Mars and Chiron in Pisces transit.

    I’m a Gemini with an Aries moon and Taurus rising, who has been struggling financially for the past few years. I feel the potential for big earnings is in me, but I can’t seem to choose a conventional path. Today, I turned down a potentially very lucrative and high profile position with health benefits for a respected corporation and chose a 3 month unconfirmed freelance opportunity that offers me more freedom instead. I deliberated on this for days and now feel like kicking myself. 

    I’m struggling, but couldn’t commit to something secure and lucrative. What gives?! Any thoughts?…

  20. Amanda and Eric;

    Thanks for sharing this latest blog entry. I, too, and many of the other healers I know have been feeling a lot of pressure these past 10 days or so. There’s a feeling of being “under attack”, of deep threat to our state of openness. A part of me simply wants to run and hide, but from what? I am not currently being attacked, at least not literally, yet that feeling or energy is present. We know and understand that it is the vibration that is all around us that is striking this chord within us. I know that I must boldly continue to exist as an open and compassionate human being in spite of the forceful yang energy of persecution that is in the air. It is an illusion and an opportunity to heal the wounded warriors we see railing against the winds of change.

    Much Light and Love to you and all at Planet Waves.
    Scott

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