Happy First Day (that’s Quaker talk for Sunday):
Good morning and hello. I’m here with an easy edition today, writing in from a ramble around New England — a compilation of a few articles on Beltane. Doing a quick search of Goo, here is what I come up with. I will highlight a few of these pieces for you.
This one is from 2005 called Beltane: The Tree of Life, featuring a photo from one of the Museums of Erotic Art in Amsterdam. Hmm, I’m not finding a huge selection of stuff. Here is a piece for StarIQ that covers the cross-quarter days, particularly Sahwen (Samhain). Here is a very old piece by one of our esteemed former writers, Link, called Your Own Celebration of Spring. It’s from the days before illustrations on PW, difficult to imagine. One last comes up — I totally forgot about this project, a dialog among readers on the genders being afraid of one another.
It’s a lot more fun if we’re not.
Peace love and compersion,
Burlington
Oh you are keeping the jewel alright! I’m glad you are returning to your tribe. My husband did that a long time ago too, and yes it is therapeutic.
Antigone, be strong and look to the inner man to help you through whatever it is you must do. I am saying a prayer for you now – don’t know what you are doing, or what you are up against, but I am getting a little worried.
Peace and Love
Antigone, Are you looking for a lost civilization? I am getting a little freaked out, so I’m guessing your hair is standing on end about now.
Well….you jewell keeper you – I Hope you find the big one!
Antigone, Like you have a choice? The message seems to keep finding you.
to the jungle civilizations of the past….spooky…..Central America? You are confronting something there?
I’ve also read that the Buddha returns today, making this the perfect day to bring peace and light to family and friends.
Buddha and the Christ are one; I and the Father are one – a good mantra for today.
Another thing that helps, is that if you are having a very bad or weird dream, you can ask the Holy Spirit if it is from Him, and if isn’t, to take it away. You will sleep very peacefully after that.
Wow. This really is a rich thread.
Maybe Antigone is a peaceful warrior.
And Patty, I read your post this morning but didn’t have time to log in and respond til now. When I read your words they really struck me deep inside and I swelled with emotion that leaked out my eyes. So thank you for that. Your conviction in your beliefs I feel completely. I don’t have that… yet… I get all confused and mind-boggled and struggle to find a center when it comes to my place and connection with the great mystery. I can tend to over-intellectualize and thus get lost in the weeds of details, details.
I had this discussion today with a woman, an astrologer even, and her take was that you just know… you don’t always feel… but you know it because it’s true. You trust. That we are connected to god, we’re creation trying to express itself… each of us just one of many fingers on the hands of god.
That makes sense to me. But I long to feel it ~ not just know it ~ for more than a fleeting moment.
Ah-the dreams are definitely from Spirit. The janitor is the lower self, which you need to forgive and not fear. Forgive what the janitor was plotting, forgive him for trying to destroy your real self, the Holy Spirit who is leading you to your true home.
The boyfriend is not a real boyfriend? he is just part of the dream? In that case, the boyfriend is also an aspect of self that you don’t want to lose – the spiritual self. I don’t know if that is clear or not. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are really One – with the Father being the creator. You are part of the Sonship- and co-creator. You are love, and the Holy Spirit is trying to wake you up very gently – only it doesn’t seem so gentle.
There are no words to describe heaven – the awe of pure love is indescribable. That bed is a symbol, I’m sure.
be, for shits and giggles, or not, the horse commandment is: Look after the well being of mind and body.
Gardener, you old pass the pigs you.
jlo, your parents ain’t dead yet are they? I ain’t suggesting you go there by any means. If it needs to happen it will. Me sun and moon if I reckon correctly are directly tied to my chiron. I think in a good way. At least that’s the story I’m telling now.
It happens as it happens when I am ready.
Is that your battery car?
I have a waking dream too since we met: I am playing ‘what’s my line?’ with kitty carlisle. So I asked my indian what of it.
He gave me the wolf commandement: Show great respect for your fellow human beings.
He have me the fish commandment: Be truthful and honest at all times.
The information and/or data received from esoterics is only as reliable as the input.
How do you interpret my dream? Better PR across the water?
What? Is Beltane over already? No, the moon has arrived in Scorpio and prepares for her opposition to the Sun. Mercury too has turned inward and the combo has taken the thinking/writing/talking deeply inside where pain (mostly ancient) resides, hides, and waits to be healed. Let’s hope the Taurus sunshine will reveal the answers.
In the meantime, Antigone’s boyfriends wonderful picture of her sleeping all curled up, was a signal (to me anyway) of infancy (fetal position) or something (someone) as yet unborn. Perhaps the coming success that Patty suggested. I’ve read that the “language” used in dreams is not only symbolical, but often utilizes images that when spoken will sound like the message that’s trying to get through. For example an image of a grate might mean great. Assuming you don’t routinely speak english Antigone, there might be clues to meanings of your dreams in your native language. Or english if you dream in english of course!
I agree with victoria that our pain can be our strength, which is a lesson the mighty Chiron tries to teach. It’s also our source of courage, as in the story of Antigone and her grief over her dead brother. I believe Michelle O is drumming up support for the vets these days victoria, and not a moment too soon as all of you can attest.
I grieve for you Patty, jere, and for everybody who has witnessed the pain of broken warriers, especially those who were under-appreciated for their sacrifices. Many years ago I did a small Christmas related film with my (ex) husband and one of the sections was shot in the veterans hospital in our city. When we finished shooting and returned to the car, we just sat there. . numb from the shock. We had been so sheltered and unaware of their reality before that moment. We were two smart-ass kids working for a TV station who thought we knew an awful lot. We aged about 20 years (emotionally anyway) while sitting in that car.
So whatever time we have left in Beltane, I hope it is growth producing and maybe fun too. And I’m not talking about any pregnant children victoria. The axe will not fall on you for any insight you want to share; it takes too long to decode oh wise one !
Be thankful Anti gone that you can receive these messages. There are younger warrior healers suffering physical symptoms of the neurological kinds.
I know one who said she woke up yesterday and did not know who she was. And there are enough physical symptoms that she is being tested on the medicine wheel.
Antigone, I just now read down through some of the posts since I was on this morning. Am wondering if you are having some past life issues that need forgiving. These will show up in dreams a lot.
Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar’s only means that what is of the world is not important. That is according to ‘the Disappearance of the Universe’.
Antigone, I have suffered that pain too, at North/South Skirmish Association events. it is overwhelming to feel the pain of a past life connection.
whewee Antigone! Are you saiyng the lights were off when you went to bed, and were on when you were awakened at 4 a.m.? Were you ‘awake’, or were you possibly out of body?
I’ve always been a huge fan of Edgar Cayce but haven’t joined any of the Cayce on-line forums so i can’t look up what they have to say. It takes a lot of searching to find similar case files. I had a book about some of his case studies that I loaned when I was 23 years old, and never got back. It had some fantastic information on dreams, but I do own someothers that don’t go quite as in depth. Cayce said things that scared people, or that they didn’t understand.
One of the things he said is that most often every dream is about yourself, and all people, monsters, and animals in the dream are you – playing different parts. It isn’t always true, because sometimes the dreams are prophetic, or even then the parts may be telling you what you are going to run into. At other times, it is replaying some prior event, or even a pre-life event, for your review – to analyze or forgive or reconcile in some way. Many animals are symbolic, just as they are in the bible and other books religious or spiritual books.
The Holy Spirit resides in each of us, and he is pure love, in constant communication with God – and always ready to help us. Some dreams are from Him, others are not.
So your dream – could be a conflict between the inner and outer – spiritual versus material. The magic drawing of you sleeping – spirit, and your drawing the beautiful buildings – success – but I’m wondering about the lost empires. Think about this and the janitor some more and ask the Holy Spirit to send the dream to you again in another form. Is the janitor you? Are you sabotaging yourself in some way? Is someone else sabotaging your work? are you hanging out with the wrong people? I suspect you are working on something that will impact many people. that we are in danger of being a lost civilization once again – particularly because of the ‘protector of the jewels’ dream. If the Holy Spirit is trying to reach you, ask for guidance. Some aspects of dreams are about ‘form’ – the universe and our physical bodies. Others are about the spirit world, trying to wake us up.
email me at pproctor at wild hyphen roses dot com if you want to go off line with this.
I’m not a dream interpreter really. You should know instinctively if I’m on the right path. If the “Christ” mind is working with us, we will interpret accordingly.
aka gardener
I was never allowed to enter the pain realm of my parents. I should have been allowed to, but it was a little too intense for them. We played back and forth, they never truly opening up. I waited, as I fell apart…My spirit broke as theirs did.
Love you my friend.
Jere
astrological sin, Pluto in Scorpio in 1990? Right around this full moon degree I’d reckon. Something about a pregnant child?
Jlo, the space is the place, we come to play.
Shooting into the sun,
I’m working on a name, name me oh esoterian blog tribe
Shit comes around on the dial once in a while, planet earth. My dad was a Nam draftee, ’68-’69, 25th infantry, Tet offensive, nasty times. It took me forever to piece the mentalities together, there’s way more in the ancestry. My cats are individual children. I have to see them that way, or they’re lost to the blatant subjective forces. I’m holding a space open, for those who choose, to accept their own interactions, and be cool with all that.
(Still trying to wake up completely too)
smiling jere
I lied, Anti gone, you raise the issue of bombs going off. Painful I know, but also your strength. In the us, and maybe elsewhere, we have many survivors of war also. Vietnam sent home droves. I see many families suffer from the confusion and alcohol. This is affecting our children greatly. These men have strong hearts.
I sat with a Vietnam vet and his younger brother a Desert Storm Vet. The Vietnam Vet rode in the helicopter that went into rescue American soldiers on the ground. Sometimes he dragged them to the helicopter, sometimes he rode gun. His wife tells me crazy stories. When they first were married he would be missing and she would find him in his fatigues in the woods. He would go into hysteria of some kinds and the only thing that would quiet him would be holding him to her naked breasts. The wife and kids are angry about his his drinking and lack of “traditional” husbanding and fathering. It is a burden as they struggle to meet the challenges of survival.
The younger brother drove the General around, and the older brother knows that is an honor and is very proud of his little brother. But the General he gave the Desert Storm vet a small book of photos. He showed them. I looked and I knew it was flesh, but I could not discern that is was anything that once resembled a body. Horrible. I blurted out in horrified shock, what is this? The young vet, stood up nervously, flipped his hand in the air, turned his head, made horse lip noises and left the room while the older vet, hung his head, and said I don’t know to the ground.
War affects us, when it is happening and when it comes home. What is Michelle Obama doing these days?
One last thing, I promise, besides the pw axe will cross me out, if not applicable. The materialization of my awareness of beyond bliss started also in the 1990s when I read a book called Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.
The book stated an experiment. Subjects were given timers. When the timer went off during the day, each subject recorded what he-she was doing and how he-she felt. Subjects were found to be most blissful when completely engaged with the work he-she was doing.
How funny, the inner man, our old friend gardner said this when I first arrived here. This is May 7th, without within the more focussed pw (I think that is going to work great, by the way). It’s Saturn retrograde within the aquarius eclipse. My fact, 1990 revisited. Spiritual awareness is great, some call it the bliss. But it in itself is not the end but the beginning for me. Or it just becomes the white death, the ejaculation space itself. I could tell you how I got to this, but you would laugh yourself silly. I know I am. It snapped in when I looked under my Father’s nodal headphones. He is the woman reading tea leaves. He needed that time. He had great responsibilities, and he walked with honor and respect in the world. So he got grumpy when he didn’t get that time. I should have seen it, blah blah blah. His story, Joe at work: Bill, I don’t understand, you take breaks and still get your work done. Bill to Joe: I’m not taking a break, I’m sharpening my axe.
Mom and kids played in Narnia. And Dad he just smiled at us and shook his head and marvelled at the funny things we said. It was the funny awarenesses that he pointed to.
It is his mystery that seduced me. The power we share got divided into sexes and roles.
I don’t know about your father’s nodal headphones. Maybe I just got lucky. Thanks to everyone for getting me to the great spirit. That’s the awesome thing about this esoterics. Your input is riding with me now. All of you. I change. I circulate. Others change. It passes down to the next. You live forever. Saturn will be going direct soon. Great discussion. Great work. My fact: It worked for me.
Antigone. . .just lost a big post (Mercury rx has struck) so will abreviate this one.
As Patty tells us the inner man is the “Holy Spirit” who is your true self and is real. I think he comes to us in dreams and that he also represents our individual soul. When your artist boyfriend in your dream admires your paintings, I think it is your Inner Man encouraging you to express yourself, not just in a scientific way, but in a creative way. Society (the janitor) will try to discourage you and be disrespectful (rape) but, based on what you told me, a society/empire built on division (not integrated) is destined to perish. Express yourself!
Patty will return soon and add her wisdom, and when her chores are finished, victoria will return and give you some clever ideas of her own. I want to thank you for your in-depth comments and before the day’s over will check out the links your provided. (By the way I thought of Janus too!)
Also, like Patty, am curious about the 26th degree of Gemini and what it means to you. (It is just behind the degree of my nadir!)
Moonroses – when I mention the ‘fall’ as symbolic, it is in all life, not just church life or the bible. We go along blaming people or being glad when they fail, and it is how we deal with anger at ourselves for separating from God. God is Love, and the only thing that is real. Look at all aspects of any dream as being about yourself, and forgive the bad parts and people. Embrace love. That golden circle of life spoke volumes.
The inner man is the Holy Spirit, who is your True Self and is real.
Patty –
Thank you for sharing that. I had to digest it for a minute.
Your take is different from mine, but it may just be semantics. I would say that when the dream occurred and what was happening that you’re very on target.
What is this inner man you mention?
Thank you —
Re: my post of info about the sabian symbols came from www dot about dot com.
I meant to include the web site reference on the post.
Antigone, this has been very educating. So you are saying that, strictly speaking, Antigone was no anarchist, just against the stupid law of her resident king. I guess most of us here have “been there” a few times, hopefully not to the hanging point though. Personally, I’m inclined to think like St. Thomas, but if ever in Rome, I’ll do as the locals, I guess.
As for Saturn, he’s been known to have two or more viewpoints, with an eye toward the Sun and an eye toward Uranus (oh please, not again), especially when in two-faced Gemini (just kidding everybody!). I just have to believe that he is not uncomfortable with the two types of law (king vs. divine) as long as there is a practical way for him to succeed. Thank you for this information again. Not sorry I asked, and think I see where the dream stuff (stolen jewels?, nobody turned away, casting a vote) you mentioned sprang from. You would make a great judge! Or a great healer too. This was fun.
Hi Antigone, hope you come back one more time and hope your new glasses are easier to get used to than mine! They are driving me crazy. And speaking of crazy, I just read the play “Antigone”, catagorized as a tragedy. go figure.
But first, I wanted to thank Patty for her ambitious desire to clear up some information on the Sabian Symbols. Great job Patty. I would just add that this one lady, Miss Elsie Wheeler, the clairvoyant who received the visions upon which each and every degree of the zodiac make up the Sabian Symbols, has guided many astrologers and others to answers and making it easier to understand life’s situations and problems. And if not for Marc Edmond Jones and his perserverance, most of us would never have even known about them. From what I can gather, all versions of the symbols originate with these visions and original interpretations.
I started my search for the meaning of the name Antigone and was drawn into a fascinating world of Greek drama. For those who are as unfamiliar as I was about Antigone’s origins, she was the daughter of Oedipus (who unwittingly killed his dad and later – unwittingly – married his mom) who also had 2 sons and another daughter. Poor Oedipus suffers greatly (he blinds himself) upon discovering his faux pas. Antigone and her sister Ismene accompany their father into exile. Then her two brothers kill each other in a war, one of which is considered a “good” guy, but the other is considered a traitor by the king. who orders that the traitor not be buried and left to rot.
Antigone says “no way” and without the help of her sister, goes out to give her brother a decent burial. Even though the townspeople and the king’s son (who was to be her husband) are supportive of her actions, King daddy won’t be disobeyed without punishment. Especially by a woman! (where have we heard this theme before?) Although he gives her adequate opportunity to deny she knew she was disobeying orders, she sticks to her guns and says “just shoot me” or whatever. In this case it was being sent to a cave with a little food and then boarded up.
Finally the king is convinced that he did the wrong thing, and they open up the cave to find that Antigone has hung herself, and that his son has killed himself too. The king’s wife, upon hearing the news kills herself. Yeah, this is a tragedy alright.
Now Antigone was all about supporting one’s kin, even if it meant she would die. That’s the main message I get from this. She also had the support of her countrymen, so the rituals of society were important enough to die for too. I get a strong feeling that Antigone had a lot of Capricorn and/or Saturn in her chart. What about you Antigone, do you support these themes too?
Antigone, what question did you ask to come up with Gemini 26?
ok you guys – you are not getting it.
There are women who sell their ‘assets’ to get attention and promotion. This works on some men, but not all. When a woman goes after another woman’s place using these tactics, she is going to owe big time. the payback is going to be huge. I don’t remember ever disrespecting any older woman that I worked around, although I imagine there were older women who felt the pangs of lost youth. But I always enjoyed working with other women.
When you are confronted with the LEO 6 in your life, stand firm.
The sabian symbol I used is from the Marc Edmund version, which I have found is quite accurate to my life.
Early Work on the Sabian Symbols:
“He [Marc Edmund Jones] later became disenchanted with this [the mimeographs] version,
however, as he felt he had done precisely what hesought to avoid —
moralize the symbols in terms of the “white-Anglo-Saxon culture of [his] upbringing.
And he became so disenchanted with that version that he asked his students not to use it.”
Marc is my preferred writer.
“On some unrecorded date in 1925, the Sabian symbols were brought into manifestation in the span of a day in Balboa Park, San Diego, California through the combined efforts of Marc Edmund Jones and Elsie Wheeler.
The story began in 1923 when Marc met Elsie Wheeler. As Marc later described the occasion, he sponsored Elsie because he admired her spunk. Elsie had a brilliant and imaginative mind but she was seriously crippled with arthritis and confined to a wheelchair. “She couldn’t turn her head and could barely hold her hands.” At that time Elsie was scared of anything psychic, but within a year she had become one of Marc’s students, joined a spiritualist church and was making a good living as a medium. She was by her handicap, however, very limited in general world experience, and that limitation would later determine her role in bringing through the Sabian symbols, a set of 360 separate and unique images.”At about the same time that Marc met Elsie, he had become interested in the symbolic astrological degrees of a Welsh seer by the name of John Thomas, better known as Charubel. Thomas had obtained his degrees psychically for the basic purpose of helping him rectify the ascendents of horoscopes. Those degrees were published in Alan Leo’s Astrological Manual No. VIIIin 1898 and again by Aries Press as The Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolisedin 1943. At first, Marc thought of obtaining permission from Thomas to recast the descriptions of the symbols so they would have a more general application. Later he decided that they were too moralized for his purposes, or too “grooved in a single mood — no less objectionable than the older identification as good or bad ….” He wanted to create a more universal set of symbols.
Early Work on the Sabian Symbols
After the session, Marc put the cards away in a trunk, thinking that this type of work was too far afield from the kind of scientific work in which he was interested. He later commented that “when I got all through [with the project] I discovered the structure [in the Sabian symbols] and worked out all the interrelations. That was an order that I found there but was not looking for. That was gratuitous, serendipity.”
Because some of his students were concerned about the fact that he had said that it would not be possible to reestablish the connection he had originally, he decided to write them up as a typescript for them to use. That version expanded the description of the images and included a little story or vignette with each image. The initial response was so encouraging that he worked out the mathematical structure that he had discovered in them and put the whole thing together as a mimeographed astrological lesson series entitled Symbolical Astrology. He later became disenchanted with this version, however, as he felt he had done precisely what he sought to avoid — moralize the symbols in terms of the “white-Anglo-Saxon culture of [his] upbringing.” And he became so disenchanted with that version that he asked his students not to use it.
In preparation for a book publication of the Sabian symbols, Marc created a new version in 1948, but he felt that the original intuitive force of the initial descriptions had been lost and so he put the project aside until 1951.
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The Sabian Symbols in Astrology
After going back to the original, brief, pencilled descriptions and reworking the commentary and formula for two years, he published his “official” and last version of the symbols as The Sabian Symbols in Astrology. In his foreword, he describes the book as “the fruition, for the present lifetime of its author, of a project in astrological research which has occupied him for more than three decades.”
He also gives tribute in his book to Dane Rudhyar, saying he, “more than any other one person, was responsible for the initial popularization of these degree interpretations, virtually compelling the organization of the project on a scale sufficient to make publication possible.” It was shortly after Marc had published the 1931 mimeographed version of the Sabian symbols that Rudhyar became interested in his work. Marc described their association as follows:
The Sabian Symbols happened to fascinate Dane Rudhyar and I gave him permission to present them in the frame of, in his way today of explaining it, his different or “special social psychology and abstract philosophy” and in his abridgment they gave a redoubled indication of their validity. His Astrology of Personality and articles in the magazines at the time were very largely responsible for bringing my contribution out in the open or to first broad public notice. He however has never been a member of the Sabian Assembly or in any real sense a student of mine, but always has been his own man very completely, and this makes the current development all the more significant. In his new book that has just by several days come to my hand from his with a warm autograph, An Astrological Mandala: The Cycle of Transformations and Its 360 Symbolic Phases, he explains this later contribution of his on the dust jacket as “A reinterpretation of the Sabian symbols, presenting them as a contemporary American I CHING.” In other words from a different worker in the cosmic vineyard is a variant establishment of what we identify as the screen of prophecy and one that under the circumstances is remarkable testimony to the universal Sabian depth.”
The Sabian symbols are a fascinating, powerful and useful set of images for the astrologer and nonastrologer alike. The images, themselves have been the subject of quite a number of new commentaries. Indeed, Marc himself wrote “the Sabian symbols are a fact and they may be examined or employed by anybody who wishes. They have entered the realm of common reality and become subject to the universal logic of man’s mind.” What should be is.
Antigone, has victoria’s humor rubbed off on you now? Well, your anus, or Uranus by any other name will always have an eccentric mode of operation. If I understand you to say you have transiting Chiron in opposition to Uranus it would (I think) be helping to bridge your particular Uranian assets (clarity of purpose? vision unfiltered?) to people by raising their consciousness. That could be a painful process for them and/or you as difficult realities are absorbed and processed. I guess that could be viewed as a challange, but don’t forget the healing aspect of Chiron. That’s what it’s all about.
I thought you and Patty would like to hear what Dane R. says about Leo 6; it’s a little different. His picture is: a conservative, old-fashioned lady is confronted by a “hippie” girl. The times were different then! Anyway, fashion (as in the latest trend in clothing) would be what he would describe as “the ever-changing pageant of social values. His keynote is “the need to transcend our subservience to “fashion”, in morals as well as in clothes.” He also says this degree refers to a collective, cultural and social crisis which challenges us to realize the relativity of social values.
And another interesting dream to ponder; sounded to me like your soul wants what is best for everyone, even if it isn’t what they (think they would) prefer. When I think of calligraphy, I think of “an invitation” first, or perhaps something written that was meant to last or be saved for a long time. Special pain taken to do the writing.
Moonrose . . .you were asking about how to use the sabian symbols and Patty does what I do, which is take the degrees of the major planets and form a “tapestry”. I think it does make a difference in the interpretation of a symbol depending on which planet is there. So as you would blend the meaning of the planet with the sign it was in, and the house it was in, you would combine the planet with the sabian symbol in some way. For example a moon at Leo 6 would give an emotional reaction to the “social crisis” over social values (or your mother would!), while Mercury would think, talk and write about it. Anyway, that’s how I do it.
Antigone – but it is true. Being confronted with age is never easy, but at some point I imagine I was the girl, and some other woman was the older conservative. It is one of the games we humans play I guess. As it happens, the woman I worked with moved on and ended up losing her job. You pay as you go, I think. I tried to do right by her but…. – she tried like hell to get my job by stealing my ideas and presenting them as her own. She then relocated to another state and did the same thing to several people, trying to make herself look good. It never pays to lie, steal, or cheat. Love and let love is my motto.
Moonroses – Wow that is quite a dream, rich with symbols!
I think you have figured out that the pursuit of money is not where riches lie, but that true gold is in learning to love and live. The circle of life, as constructed from your own jewelry, is showing a successful life, beyond even your own imagination. I would expect financial success, but it could also be spiritual – or why not both? There are always people who are happy to see someone fall….it is the journey we are all on after all – the ‘fall’ of man, and the journey back to God. The fall is symbolic in all of our lives, but it isn’t real. Only love is real.
I’d guess your life is richly spiritual, and from your 6th grade poem, you have the ability to tune into your inner man.
From what I have studied of my own sabian symbols, I was able to see the tapestry of my own life. The symbols of even the progressed chart will offer many clues, especially if you go back to points of your life that have a lot of meaning.
When I was 55, a vivacious latino lady worked with me. She was unlike anyone I had ever known and threw me for a loop where I was questioning myself all the time. It was an emotional time for me. When I looked at my progressed chart, there was my progressed moon: Leo 06 A sweet old-fashioned belle and a pert and attractive little modern flapper, stand in mutual envy of each other (me being the sweet old belle – but smart).
Such wonderful banter on this blog! Makes me want to invite ya’ll over for tea and cookies (homemade of course).
Patty – for me it was something like taking all of my existing jewelry and having it goldsmithed into one piece that represented love, circle of life, unity, etc. But there was a paranoid element to having something so valuable… others would be after it… and me. And that frightened me.
I’ve worked out a meaning that’s relevant; I’m curious to find how close you land.
Regarding Sabian Symbols and applying them to a natal chart, does the planet matter or is it something you would apply to every planet in whatever degree sign it sits? So, say, I would have 10 sabian symbols that are relevant that I would work with…. yes?
Or how does that work?
Antigone,
You said you are scientific. Trust in what you have learned, knowing you have the wisdom that is necessary! The vote is an affirmation of assurance in your ability. Pray for the peace you need, and rest assured you have the self-confidence needed to carry out your purpose.
*”Anybody else looking forward to Saturn going direct?”
Yes! -It’s just doing it’s finally polishing of my natal saturn. When it moves on it will mean I passed (I hope with flying colors), my 2nd saturn return. Actually I lose track of it with all the other stuff going on – mars, uranus, jupiter, chiron, venus, paradigm shift…etc…etc…
Anyone else on thier 2nd saturn return???
xxxa
I think you’re on to something here victoria. Not being a dyed-in-the wool Scorpio per se, and being a Virgo to boot (nothing is ever perfect) that would probably cause the scorp rising to search and dig, but the virgo sun would think “it’s still not enuf (power)”.
And yes, Mercury is ready to retro . tomorrow I think. But not so sure about being glad Saturn goes direct. Yeah, glad to get a little slow down as too much is going on, but still, Saturn direct can be a tough hombre (nod to cinco de mayo).
Antigone, looked up Dane Rudhyar’s explanation of 19 Libra. Is your Sun there (18+ Libra)? A little different, but sums it up as “group protest” and says the implication is that an individual is powerless against institutions (like a government) and that a organized group can produce actual change (in social consciousness). Also want to check out Vulkanus (vic. any relation to your anus?) and his claim on Virgo. Thought he was just an imaginary spot, but will investigate.
Need to go pick up my new glasses; victoria, can I get you anything? Then free to check out all the interesting paths that have sprung up here overnight.
If scorpio is about power and control, then mystery has me by the balls? Thus stated, why does that make me feel so powerless. But the search does keep me going.
Anybody else looking forward to Saturn going direct?
patty, oops that was moonrose on the 8th. So much going on. Isn’t Mercury supposed to be going retrograde. The phone is busy again. Oh boy, it’s gonna be another one like the last one. Busy.
Patty, worked that 8th house thing a little. For me, the 8th is mystery. And the 8th is the second to the 7th. But more to what I am feeling is that the eighth is ruled by Scorpio, and what I have going on there. I’m a Scorpio Asc and I always got my sunglasses on. Some people got shoe racks, I am looking for where and how to store my sunglasses for easy selection and retrieval.
victoria, moonrose has it. . . the control I referred to is because of the 8th house (power, control) location of your Gemini node. Not that other signs and planets don’t use control. That Cancer type control might come through as an over-protective, (smother the loved one with affection & he/she’ll never leave). Anyway, it was just a guess (a silly one even) and your Gemini south node probably would use the control in conversation (yada yada) rather than handcuffs on the bedpost.
So much good stuff to read here . . want to get back to moonrose’s poem, but have a haircut scheduled in 15 minutes. gotta go gotta go
be, lined up all the geminis I know in a row and asked the question. I can see the control side of it. But the fun part I guess is they all are such good actors, I guess that could get my soulful going.
So question answered. Mutability awareness opening.
Moonroses –
Dreams of jewels have meaning in the way they are presented in the dreams. Can you give us more information? I’m not an expert, but sometimes I intuit a meaning that is relevant.
All souls are precious souls, here to grow and develop. It is useful to be reminded of that at times, and I think our dreams do that for us. Some dreams are prophetic.
Antigone,
The person’s sabian symbol is usually interpreted in the next degree, since it is what you are working toward.
Libra 20 In a tiny room ridiculously cluttered with manuscripts and books sits a Jewish rabbi at ease with self and world.
Antigone –
I’m not aware of the extent of that childhood you mentioned, but still my heart felt happiness when you mentioned you’re proof that miracles exist. I don’t truly know how far you’ve come – I just recognize the weight of such a statement and thus know in that way.
I remember writing a poem in, I think, for a 6th grade class. I was living in the country and we had horses at the time. It’s simplistic and I had forgotten about it until two-three years ago when un-tappable memories came flooding into my consciousness:
Horses run through the fields
Even though they are not concealed
They run around, as if on wheels
I wish I knew how it feels
I see that poem today as so very telling. and Horses represent freedom, in my book. I can’t think of anything that represents it more. Just picturing a horse galloping across a wide open area, mane and tail a flowing, nostrils a flaring, hooves a thundering, on the wind and on the ground almost simultaneously… it’s breath-taking.
Patty –
Your post has personal relevance for me, interestingly. In the Cayce interpretation you read, did the woman follow Cayce’s advice? And what was the outcome? Do you recall?
Bkoehler –
I too have Mercury in Leo and Venus in Gemini!
I’m in the process of figuring out what all that stuff in my chart means…
So in regards to Victoria’s question, would the issue of control you mention be more related to the 8th house rather than the sign of Gemini? That might play out regardless of the sign, is that right?
be, one more question, what’s that read on the control issue. I met someone very interesting this weekend with a gemini/cancer cusp. Imagine the gaze and the yap we had a going on. She said something about control and gemini and I didn’t get it. I thought it might be more the hard shell of the crab, and the claws that don’t let go. So on the control, if you got more read on that, I’d like to roll that around.
Antigone, you must have known that lots of us that read and enter posts at this site would enjoy hearing your story as well as talking with and to you. I can believe that you follow your heart, the voice you can trust, and would love to hear more about the beautiful horses you described. Also, the Sabian Symbol you mentioned; what sign and degree would that be? You have peaked my curiosity.
victoria, my Mercury is in Leo, but my Venus is in Gemini! Well, a whole new picture is developing as I contemplate what a south node in Gemini in the 8th house would be like. Hmmmmm…..the easy comfort of past behavior in quick-witted Gemini, loving the freedom to come and go(almost as much as the north node in Sagittarius I expect), but compelled to stay on the stage of sharing resources; intimate, soulful relationships (with an eye to getting control probably); a bountiful currency of data (no doubt desperately needing some Virgo organization though!).
The emotional nature of the 8th house might be a little sticky for Gemini, but the depth of contact with, and the nature of the data still draws one back to the south node. I’m thinking that the creation and development of networks(putting people in touch with people) would be of value, although the minimizing of distracting data is required when the creative/spiritual force is ready to reveal the big picture. Don’t answer the phone! (Mercury conjunct Pluto can relate)
How apt; Analysis of Virgo. . .the analyst being analyzed. Pretty anal I agree. But that animal primer and the Indian Myths book(s). . that’s a whole lot different. Didn’t know that about the horse in America. I thank your bountiful currency of data for that info!
Patty, I hoped you would join this conversation and offer up some practical advice and perceptive insight. Your convictions carry the essence of wisdom gained from personal experience and it always come from the heart. Thanks for reading (and liking) my horse tail too.
Bkoehler, I loved your story. Thank you for sharing!
Oh Antigone! What a precious soul you must be!! I just now read through some of the posts here.
The jewels are repressentative of your life, or some precious aspect of it that needs sheltering and/or developing. It is tellling you to prepare yourself to do great things (jewels). Get the education you need to carry out your life’s work. Ask spirit to direct you, and it will come to you. Don’t put yourself or your family at risk, but doing the right thing is never wrong – just be wary that there are also evil spirits around that will try to undo what good is to come of your life. It isn’t always going to be easy – for instance, sometimes you have to experience some dreaded thing to be able to help someone else.
I remember reading an Edgar Cayce interpretation once, where a woman dreamed that her arms were covered with jewels. Cayce told her that the jewels representated the precious life she would hold. Her baby would be gifted and famous and she needed to return to school and receive an education so she would be able to help her future child.
Your dream is such a dream, and upon reading it I knew immediately that you have a gift that needs to be developed.
Antigone –
What you describe as your childhood environment makes me shudder.
If it were me, and I had that dream, and that was my environment for whatever length of time, I might question the jewels as maybe being something that I didn’t want, and to have them around would mean great risk and vulnerability… with the soldiers potentially, possibly, even probably, rushing in at any moment to strip me of them and who knows what else.
Maybe, if you were a thief, it might mean that you were on their side – less danger??? Under the circumstances, maybe.
I think of the Lord of the Rings (Keeper of the Jewels), and Superman – with great power comes great responsibility.
How many can actually rise to the task, as Frodo did?
This is something that has come up for me and no doubt why your words resonated the way that they did.
I am smelling the sweet smell of the trees in bloom in these words that come to me today.
But I must get outside and get my hands in the dirt. It is very grounding (ha ha).
be, you are a wonder you ol two timer. Geminoid energy, well let me say, it is the only thing that gives credence to the Mercury ruled Virgo school of thought. If you don’t mind sharin, where’s your natal Mercury at.
My south node is in Gemini in the 8th, so I have had all kinds of confusing wyrdo relationships. So that could be the Gemini factor too. Am coming to terms with my your anus (hell, for ol time sake) square Neptune and your anus square venus natal aspects. Societal programming just didn’t prepare me for that. But hell, sure was alot of fun. Until it wasn’t.
A side note: I picked up a copy of a used book entitled Analysis of Virgo, how anal is that. Anyway the book claims Vulkanus is the true ruler of Virgo. Ain’t that alot of pressure?
Oh and you probably know this horse fact. I found it in my animal primer. It was a side note under zebra. Here goes:
Moose Dog
“The horse was introduced into this continent by the Spaniards when they arrived in the 16th century. Within two centuries they had been acquired by almost every people. As there was no Indian word for horse, and it carried its burdens like a dog, it was usually named Elk Dog, Spirit Dog, Sacred Dog, or Moose Dog. . . . from American Indian Myths and Legends.
You ain’t nothing but awesome ms. be. And I sure hope you keep poking me with those stellular observations of yours. But if not, it’s okay.
Antigone, my heart goes out to you for having endured such a difficult environment. I think now that dream interpretation can’t be such a general thing (as in one size fits all) because I would never have “dreamed” that from your description of your nightmare you would have been a victim of such a brutal childhood.
In fact, the theft of all your belongings and then the discovery of the never-before-seen jewels struck me as an inner discovery that the superficial (the furniture, computers, lamps) had been replaced by what is truly valuable (jewels) and found within ourselves. Also that you are the “keeper” or protector of those values, perhaps as a role model for your friends. Anyway, I can understand why you would “doubt yourself” and wonder if you were a thief because of the frightening circumstances of your early life.
Is it possible that because of that experience the jewels were created? Diamonds and other precious stones are created (unseen, underground or within caves) when earthly material is put under great pressure. Why not the jewels of human endurance too? I don’t doubt that you value your self-protective abilities for example, and respectfulness of other people’s boundries because you paid a high price for them. I know I respect those attributes in people. I’ve never suffered the misfortune you describe, but, looking back, I do see how good things have developed for me because of situations that were unpleasant at the time. Sensitivity, understanding, admiration, and love come to mind. Thank you for sharing and making us more aware Antigone.
ant, I never really know do I, until you tell me. You make healthy connections across the water. You tell. I understand your conditions.
And to think I thought your friends were organic farmers. I guess it just depends on the focus. Buy organic!!!! Think globally (but don’t get your brain buzzed out, my personal problem: can’t save everybody) and act locally!!!!!
You are the conversation, I was hoping to hear for so long. I’ve lived some places. And that’s really the only way I understand unless you tell. So when readers spit on this thing they call America, I don’t get it, cuz I don’t know where it is coming from. I’m not big on the foreign travel.
I feel alot of wyrdo energy going on now, the free mason boogie is imploding into nonsensical chaos. Now maybe the world needed that to work some of this abuse stuff, like shoot some air into it or whatnot. Rebuild we must.
I feel the dialogue opening when you tell.
I went on a bender, this morning. I only have 3 republican friends, and they were all on the answering machine this morning. Then my toilet backed up. Time to get moving on the yard work.
Well, Antigone, you made a bell ring with your observation that Alice might be the sacrificial lamb, er pig, as in the case of the Roman festival Cerealia. A few days ago I wondered why that sacrifice to “honor” Ceres? victoria shed much light with her corn-fed piglets theory, but the fear-factor, which seems to lurk in the shadow of Beltane (dead horses, loss of worldly goods, enduring the “sizzle” of good times) is down-right logical! Of course those silly Romans were afraid the goddess might withhold her bounty. . . .not without good reason of course! Your views much appreciated from this point.
Thanks for your comments bkoehler – I really enjoyed your Kentucky derby story and the last line of your article:
“The power of Beltane is transformative and fruitful, and you’re never too old to learn.”
I also love that you are going to toast your May-born Dad too! Slainte!
Antigone: From my take on the play, Alice was feeling alone and “ostracized” but the more important lesson I took from it, was that she was suppressing herself by seeking the group’s approval at the expense of tapping the true essence of her soul and becoming more alive and fulfilled. I agree with you wholeheartedly that we are lost if we don’t learn to trust ourselves, first and foremost, yet as I feel the power of my own essence grow, I am also more ready to commune and be taught by those in my surroundings who are more learned and wise.
Shebear 13 . . almost missed your entry (5 responses? thought only 4!) which appeared while I was sending my last one. Wow, what great stories. . .the play and your comments to the writer/director/teacher were priceless. Something not as emphasized as lust and promise during Beltane is the beauty. Thanks for sharing your view from your window. The Mayflower truck observation was uncanny!
And what a lovely idea of planting a tree and tying on some ribbons to honor the new spring. My dad was born in May too, though a Gemini (and a bit randy himself), so will take my cue from you and toast him for his gifts to the planet and my memories.
Antigone, victoria, glad to hear how Beltane is affecting you. Mostly desirable, I would judge, but a twinge (or more) of anxiety. What is it? Too much of a good thing? A friend of mine has a saying, and she says it often. “Nobody is gonna steal my joy”, so Antigone, what do you think? Any similaritiy between jewels and joy? Let me know if you analyze your “nightmare”, what you make of it. victoria, a month of celebration could be endured with a tiny bit of reining in. Just pace yourself girl!
Three great posts below me here. I was entertained by each one. I am feeling the energy of Beltane this year more than I ever have in my life, feeling plugged in to something really magical. As I write this, I am watching out my window a female and male cardinal hop around my porch, with a full blossoming serviceberry tree as our background.
But here’s a fabulous Beltane story for you. On Friday, I went to my son’s high school play and the gist of the story was that the students were all doing their usual cool “thang” to fit in, but one girl called Alice, couldn’t connect with anyone and felt very ostracized and misunderstood. As it became obvious that she was sinking further and further into a pit of despair, she had a dream/nightmare. How this nightmare was depicted on stage was incredible, as I can only describe it as “Beltanish!!”
The stage went pitch black while all the characters gathered to encircle sad and lonely Alice as she lay sleeping. Once everyone was in position, the lighting came back on but instead of the usual white or pale lights it was now flaming red and swirling around everyone. The music was also powerful and energetic and everyone began moaning and chanting around Alice whilst a monologue was delivered. This monologue was about challenging Alice to be herself, unleash her confidence and engage with life on her own terms. It was quite a spectacle and reminded me somewhat of the Lorena McKennitt video I had watched earlier that morning on PlanetWaves with the similar red lighting effect. I told the teacher afterwards, who had both written and directed the play, that he had tapped into the Celtic celebration and energy of Beltane. I sent him home to look it up on the ‘net!!
Just to add some of more of my May celebrations: my father died in ’07 and would have turned 85 next Sunday and he was a really a randy old Pan-man and flirted with every female who came his way, much to my chagrin I will be honest with you. There was conflict with sexuality because we were a good Irish Catholic family. But this year I will honour his true Celtic spirit (he was an Irish Leprachaun really!!) I will toast the rascal! I am also getting a tree planted in my garden this month and as soon as it goes in I will hang some ribbons and dance a happy circle or two around it. Finally, as I wrote this post, I again looked out my window and lo and behold a moving truck pulled up with the name “Mayflower” written on it. The universe is unfolding as it should!
Happy May, Beltane and Springtime blossomings to you all!
Like the archives.
This Beltane packs a punch. Liked the idea of a month long celebration. But could I endure the mesmerizing sizzle? Whoa girl, easy with that question.
Be, Ant, am marking my calendar for the next cross quarter. And then forgetting about it to enjoy this one.
The Kentucky Derby is the way my city celebrates Beltane. It’s a tradition that goes back ‘130 something’ years. Some parts of the tradition are very very Beltany. I’ve seen the celebration go from one week, to two weeks, and now it’s 3 weeks and growing. But the intensity of excitement, “the power of the energy” (as one visiter yesterday put it) at Churchill Downs on the 1st Saturday in May is overwhelming. Today’s the day my city tries to pull itself back together, the day after the Ky. Derby. Cleaning up, sobering up, getting back to one’s own bed, facing the reality of going to work tomorrow; some of the reality that visitors and natives alike share.
My tradition with the “Derby” started when I was about 10 years old, and I would accompany my dad, who was an AP photographer, to help him make pictures. His was a very “back side” experience of the racing world and this racetrack, except for Derby Day when he would get into the thick of the social, glamour, and power of the festive track visitors. Starting with the horse’s morning walk and bath, then later to the “AP office”under the seating section, near the finish line. From there I could roam to my hearts content. These were the years before assinations and bomb threats and terrorists. With my “press pass” around my neck I could go up to “Millionaire’s Row” and sometimes would see celebraties I actually recognized. There was a landing between the 1st and 2nd floor (a mezzanine) that had a bar that was open to the though traffic, which included kids passing by, and there you would see the glamour girls and the gamblers and the mafia-type men planning their schemes for the day (and on into the night!) How exciting is that?
When I got older I would get box tickets (my dad was popular!), could bring a(girl) friend to the Derby and started getting dressed up, including a big floppy hat. . .a very old tradition indeed. I don’t think I ever invited any friend more than once, because I wanted as many as possible to experience this day from “ground zero” at least once. By the time I was a teen I could buy my own mint juleps (horrible things) and get my own souvenir glass. Life was good.
My last Derby was just before I got married (to another photographer who was also covering the races) and it was pretty special. My girlfriend and I wound up at a table on Millionaire’s Row with some out-of-towners, who just loved having some local “friends” to fill them in on the popular night spots and restaurants. Later I was to learn that the host of this particular party was the brother of Grace Kelly!
Many years later, after drawing from jackpots and watching the race on a TV at a friend’s party, then to watching with friends from my TV, to finally, watching the race alone. Always crying when they played “My Old Kentucky Home”, even having friends make wagers on my hunches, I’ve always loved Derby Day.
Until Barbaro. He won, I had bet him, I adored him. . .along with thousands of other fans. Until he fell, and healed and then died, and then my feeling about the Derby and about horse racing in general began to change. Other horses, famous horses, were injured while racing their hearts out only to be put to sleep. This year I didn’t even let myself study the names. Didn’t watch the celebreties, the parties, the parades, the boat races, the balloon races. Didn’t watch the Kentucky Derby.
So my celebration of Beltane has changed. This season I gloried in my plantings, marveled at the little green pods that will become cherries on the tree outside my balcony. I snuggled with Crystal, my kitty, when it turned cool yesterday, but didn’t rain as predicted. We watched the birds, many kinds of birds, the squirrels and even a few early chipmunks. Love is definately in the air for them! But I didn’t watch the Kentucky Derby. It was a peaceful, but full of promise day and I loved it. Until my friend called me, screaming her excitement over the winner of the roses, but I stayed detached from that energy. Later, my young neighbor celebrated long into the night with HIS friends, but I stayed in my happy, contented, centered space. Much later, the sirens (police, fire, ambulance) screeched in the distance, but didn’t disburb my peace. My peace with myself and my small part of the universe.
The power of Beltane is transformative and fruitful, and you’re never too old to learn.