One of the things that distinguishes our work at Planet Waves is that all of the astrologers who write for this website use the minor planets. That’s a term that describes asteroids and many newer classes of bodies that emerged in the 20th century — in particular, Kuiper Belt objects (of which Pluto was the first, and Eris the most famous for her role in ‘demoting’ Pluto), dwarf planets, centaurs, and strange things like Damocles. You might visit any of the few websites that cover these points and find yourself reading a lot of keywords that don’t seem to add up to much. I think that it’s necessary to develop more complete narratives about these points, which evolve over time and with experience. The descriptions cannot be static because with each person who embodies one of these points in a natal chart and with every news event that reveals something new, it’s necessary to revise one’s understanding. One of the points that has been emerging in recent years as a signpost of our age is Nessus, discovered orbiting our Sun in 1993. Al Gore once called our time in history the era of consequences — easy enough to see, as we watch the ice caps melt. Nessus describes the process of cause and effect, which are the necessary steps to both consequences and karma, which is action and its results. One reason Nessus is so important in our time is because our society seems to be oblivious to the fact that action causes results and that results come from action. It is often said that the United States is a litigious society, where the common remedy is litigation. Working happily amidst the fray are working many slip-and-fall artists. Nessus is about taking responsibility for one’s actions, and for breaking the cycle of abuse or deception. Nessus can snatch the boomerang out of the air through which it’s spinning. Today the Gemini Sun is square Nessus in Pisces, and that is the image of the buck stopping: of taking preventive action, of stopping something in-process and of understanding that cause and effect are never separate.
If you’re born under the sign of the twins, happy birthday. I’ve prepared a free audio preview of your 2014 reading. It describes something about the way the planets are influencing you for the next four seasons of your life.
“I have often thought that the wealth is in discovering what is hidden or held within our internal Underworld, the shadow territory of the psyche.” Beautiful! Thank you, Chief Niwots Son.
Thank you, Chief Niwots Son, for highlighting the hidden wealth dimension of Pluto.
Pluto (genitive Plutonis) is the Latinized form of the Greek Πλούτων, Ploutōn.
The ruler of the underworld in classical mythology, Pluto was frequently conflated with Ploutos (Πλοῦτος, Plutus), a god of wealth, because mineral wealth was found underground, and because as a chthonic god Pluto ruled the deep earth that contained the seeds necessary for a bountiful harvest.
Pluto is Lord of the Dead, but as Persephone’s husband he has serious claims to the powers of fertility. In ancient Greek religion and myth, Pluto represents a more positive concept of the god who presides over the afterlife. The name Pluto came into widespread usage with the Eleusinian Mysteries, in which Pluto was venerated as a stern ruler but the loving husband of Persephone. The couple received souls in the afterlife, and are invoked together in religious inscriptions.
In Greek cosmogony, Pluto received the rule of the underworld in a three-way division of sovereignty over the world, with his brothers Zeus ruling Heaven and Poseidon the Sea. His central narrative is the abduction of Persephone to be his wife and the queen of his realm.
The earlier name for the god was Hades, which became more common as the name of the underworld as a place.
bodymindalchemy- A friendly reminder that the literal translation of Pluto is “the wealthy one.” While he is the ruler of the Underworld his role is far more complex than just being about death, although that is within his purview. I have often thought that the wealth is in discovering what is hidden or held within our internal Underworld, the shadow territory of the psyche. Thanks for your thoughtful posts.
I am not an astrologer, but I figured out (or decided) a long time ago that there’s no “positive” or “negative” in astrology, only work to be done, lessons to be learned. Some of them are easy, some are more challenging, and some can be flat out excruciating. In our society it’s natural to connote “easy” with “positive” and “difficult” with “negative”. But “easy” can be a dead bore (which sure is negative as I see it), and “difficult” can be exciting (and boy, do I love a good challenge). If these qualities, or how they’re perceived, were so rigid, you’d go through your entire life having endless negative experience whereever this planet or that is placed, or certain aspects to it, and never hope to see any change. If that were the case – if there were no possibility of the change that mature introspection and growth can produce – then what would be the point of even studying astrology? It seems to me that if the point of our existence is to sort out our existence, then at the end of the day – and astrologically speaking – it’s all positive. Even when it sucks.
That said, what I continue to learn in PW about the minor planets is invaluable. Until I found that information here, I didn’t know how to take a more detailed look at my natal chart, and working only with the traditional planets was always frustrating, because there was just too much left unexplained or unaccounted for, and made me feel like a fraud even as I thought I was understanding my own chart, let alone anyone else’s. Enter the minor planets, and the real learning began, starting with Chiron (in the 3rd house, opposite my natal Sun). Withouth Eric’s writing about Chiron, I honestly don’t know whether I would have gotten through my Chiron return. It was that rough.
I relish the writing here about minor planets. It all reads to me like a series of “a-ha!” moments, thanks to which I have also figured out how Eris works in my 5th house, Ceres in my 10th, Nessus in my 7th, et al. I think the observations here about the minor planets are so astute, and the lessons so crystal clear, that they make me see my own chart as a textbook case in astrology. THAT is a lesson well taught. Hats off and eternal thanks.
Bodymind; I just want to thank you for discussing Pluto and Eris. Although clearly obvious, it was only now that I “realized” (natally) I’ve Pluto Opp Sun and Eris Conj Moon (and Uranus on the AC). I know that I walk through life inadvertently upsetting (most peoples’) apple-cart, but really, I try not to…
I’m making a study of your post and the elements within. A new perspective of my unique qualities is perhaps upon me. Thank you for adding this wealth to the rich conversation.
Geez Shelly, I’m thinking that “words spoken or written” or even “believed and repeated” would be at the top of the list of actions one should take responsibility for, and I’m sure you do to. Seems to me that Saturn would be the original symbol for responsibility and Nessus would only symbolize any repercussions that stemmed from Saturn’s lack of (or overlooked) responsibility for saying, writing or repeating questionable words. Perhaps if we think of Nessus as an absence of Saturn (discipline) and therefore irresponsible, we can see how this symbol making an aspect would put the onus (burden) on the other “planet” to step up to the plate and take on the responsibility.
We can’t get around Nessus’ mythological reputation though; he did what he did even though he knew better and he paid with his life. That “I’ll get even with you for getting even with me” is why generational feuds (like the Hatfields and McCoys) persist and why somebody must finally step in and say “the buck stops here”, even if he or she isn’t the actual guilty party but represents the guilty party in some way, if it is to ever stop. With Nessus now conjunct the U.S. Moon (People) the “feud” started generations ago but now, finally, we-the-people have the opportunity (tr. Nessus conj. natal Moon) as well as the burden, through our votes among other things, to end the dysfunctional government processes by getting rid of the poisonous toxins that have built up within it.
I really enjoy reading and hearing questions and answers regarding the use and intention of astrology, its symbols, “rules” and even personal experiences attributed to specific aspects. As for the “sheer numbers” of asteroids, TNO’s etc., Amy, it can be overwhelming to think of using them in any kind of delineation, to be sure. Luckily, I wasn’t exposed to a list (like Serennu’s) and Eric approached them one at a time in order to explore (I assume) how great an interest there was in such a concept (such as Chiron as a healer for instance) among his readers. It worked for me and each one whetted my appetite for the next one. I remember seeing “the list” finally and thought to myself I would NEVER remember all those names, much less understand their meaning. Now they are my best friends, and like best friends, you get to know them and understand why they do what they do when they do it. For now they seem supportive only, but as our consciousness grows and we “see” more, I believe the minor planets will take on more importance. For now subtlety is their strong suit.
I’m also for various approaches to learning and using astrology in it’s many forms. I love that it doesn’t conform to a pat set of rules, although it would be utter chaos if there wasn’t some set of rules to stretch, fudge, break through or bend. Learn the rules (at least try!) and then let empathy color your interpretation of the aspect and what it could mean. Gradually, over time, you get a feel for the “planet” and it’s interaction once you allow the Neptune side of the art have as much participation as the mental side (rules). A popular musician starts out learning the chords and reading the music as it is written. Only after loosening up (being comfortable with the instrument) does he or she allow a little leeway in the interpretation of the written notes. That’s when he connects best with his audience. It’s very similar with practicing astrology. Some things were meant to be played strictly by the rules and some things are open to interpretation and a few can go either way.
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Pluto and Eris are two of the most notorious tricksters in Greek mythology. Their lore is linked through the Greek word μήλον, mēlon, which could mean both apple and pomegranate, as well as other exotic pomaceous fruit.
Pluto, the Lord of Death, tricked Persephone by having her eat pomegranate seeds, binding her to him for part of the year while humans suffered the unfruitful seasons of the ancient calendar. Demeter’s descent to retrieve Persephone from the underworld was connected to the Eleusinian Mysteries.
Eris, the Goddess of Strife, tossed the golden Apple of Discord (inscribed τῇ καλλίστῃ, tēi kallistēi – “For the most beautiful one”) in the midst of the feast of the gods at the wedding of Peleus and Thetis on Mount Pelion (home of Chiron and the Centaurs), thus sparking a vanity-fueled dispute among Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite, eventually leading to that epic disaster of Greek myth, the Trojan War.
Each divine being, through its interaction with other divinities, brought about changes that profoundly influenced the mortal realm.
In greater and lesser ways, the successive astronomical discoveries of Pluto (1930) and Eris (2005) exploded our conceptions of the cosmos.
Pluto was discovered on the verge of its square to Uranus (1931-1933). In hindsight, we recognize that all hell was about to break loose. Who was there to heed that era’s augur, and what does the discovery of Eris portend for our time?
These two small worlds, each in its own way, have contributed to an awareness far more granular than that which preceded it.
Death truly has lost its dominion, not only to Discord but to an ever expanding catalogue of seeds that populate our near-solar space.
The newly discovered planets dwell within our depths. What myths will we make?
The seed-at-zero
by Dylan Thomas (1936; ms. 1933)
The seed-at-zero shall not storm
That town of ghosts, the trodden womb,
With her rampart to his tapping,
No god-in-hero tumble down
Like a tower on the town
Dumbly and divinely stumbling
Over the manwaging line.
The seed-at-zero shall not storm
That town of ghosts, the manwaged tomb
With her rampart to his tapping,
No god-in-hero tumble down
Like a tower on the town
Dumbly and divinely leaping
Over the warbearing line.
Through the rampart of the sky
Shall the star-flanked seed be riddled,
Manna for the rumbling ground,
Quickening for the riddled sea;
Settled on a virgin stronghold
He shall grapple with the guard
And the keeper of the key.
May a humble village labour
And a continent deny?
A hemisphere may scold him
And a green inch be his bearer;
Let the hero seed find harbour,
Seaports by a drunken shore
Have their thirsty sailors hide him.
May be a humble planet labour
And a continent deny?
A village green may scold him
And a high sphere be his bearer;
Let the hero seed find harbour,
Seaports by a thirsty shore
Have their drunken sailors hide him.
Man-in-seed, in seed-at-zero,
From the foreign fields of space,
Shall not thunder on the town
With a star-flanked garrison,
Nor the cannons of his kingdom
Shall the hero-in-tomorrow
Range on the sky-scraping place.
Man-in-seed, in seed-at-zero,
From the star-flanked fields of space,
Thunders on the foreign town
With a sand-bagged garrison,
Nor the cannons of his kingdom
Shall the hero-in-to-morrow
Range from the grave-groping place.
Your observations about Tarnas make sense, Eric, given the brilliant yet curiously constrained discourse in Cosmos and Psyche.
How about this interpretation of Nessus in Taurus on my MC, opposite, in order Juno, Saturn and Lilith in Scorpio on my IC? To me it looks like a couple of very downtrodden ladies biding their time in the pits until I slowly but surely insist that they be brought up here and now. Perhaps I am becoming conscious of their issues in my life, and guiding myself and others accordingly.
thank you for editing out the shaming part of the letter originally posted here –the part where she admonishes the reader to “actually READ what I wrote” .. has been omitted.
I will seek out one of her newer titles — I was just reading what was given to me. thank you for adding this information to your original rebuttal. I guess Chiron is already making its presence known in my life !
Sorry if it felt like a slapdown. I will say as an author it is very troubling to be told I said something that I did not say. It happens fairly often, even when the text is available to everyone.
This is all a learning process. Where there is a text, it’s crucial not to skim, but to actually study and to go as deep as you can. Language is slippery, the occult is slippery and there are rarely solid answers. One way to keep your traction is to stick to the text.
We are fortunate that the author of a classic work replied personally in a matter of minutes. You don’t get that very many places. Most of the time it would require necromancy.
By the way — I suggest you read the new version of Chiron. How early astrology was into Chiron, the author’s life at the time and what she has learned in the intervening 20 years make the new one worth reading. Also, there is much more in To The Edge and Beyond.
I must say that being slapped down publicly for seeking clarity on a point of information from the author of a book you are studying is not a fun way to learn.
Shelley, I don’t have a lot of time to reply as I am on deadline, but basically this is what I mean. Once when in Key West I picked up an early monograph on Neptune. It began, “Within days of the discovery, a ship sank. This cannot be good.”
I am talking about that kind of simplistic misunderstanding of how one of these points works. And yes the most important point is point of view. I keep seeing Nessus and Pholus in the charts of mass shootings. But that does not mean, to me, that they are negative. I am more curious what this whole thing is about.
Many people notice that Chirion transits arrive and people start to have difficulties in life, and assume that Chiron is “bad.” I look at the life history of Chiron transits, gather information with the client, and work closely with the client to get the next one right.
PS, One night I was troubled over the rape debate, which I’m starting to see through in a number of ways, and I reached for a fortune cookie that came with my dinner. Personally I use fortune cookies as an actual mode of divination. I cracked it open and it said, “He who is shipwrecked a second time cannot lay the blame on Neptune.”
The next one I got said, “It’s about time I got out of this cookie.”
many thanks for all the information put forth in this discussion…. I am a potter by trade, not an astrologer, but having grown up with a mother that began studying astrology when I was 9. I have been seeking to deepen my understanding of astrology lately — especially of Chiron, since my Chiron return is at the beginning of June. Hence, the book by Melanie Reinhart…. I am not sure if I have her most recent edition, but I will be certain to go back and read it more closely. I am just endeavoring to gain an understanding of Chiron, and was seeking information on the seeming discrepancy in informations. Please pass on my apologies to the author for any mis-communication on my part. I thought I WAS reading what was written.
Eric, when you warn about using negative connotations for a particular delineation, is this more than simply a way of looking at life and our experience of it? That easy doesn’t equal positive? Like a Saturn return may hurt emotionally, but it gives you information about what you might be denying and where you have strength.
bodymindalchemy, you said, “Only by holding these several paradoxes and contradictions as consciously and thoughtfully as possible can we move towards that higher synthesis our culture deeply needs.”
I agree, and I wonder how we can translate this abstract thought into physical reality on a cultural level. Anyone have concrete ideas on this?
Lately, I have been coming into contact with a lot of people randomly talking about something astrological and when I try to engage a discussion, they insist, “Oh, I don’t really believe in that.” Sometimes intellectual culture operates on the idea that it’s okay to let something nonscientific in if you don’t admit it as a real thing.
If “Nessus is about taking responsibility for one’s actions,” does that also include words?
Amy, this PDF contains all the basics on the history of minor planets starting with Ceres, how they are delineated and how to use them. Major feature in TMA —
http://planetwaves.net/pdf/1012TMAcoppolino.pdf
Apologies in advance for any incoherence – I am full of cold.
Some questions from the huge number I have as a beginner on the minor planets 🙂
Given the sheer number of asteroids, TNOs, etc., do these tend to be used more as commentary on the basic chart? Although I’m guessing this changes as more data comes through.
Also – do the effects of the minor planets tend to be closely allied to the mythology of their names?
Thanks
Amy
Melanie replies:
Hi Eric,
Great reply you wrote.
In the first edition, I ‘made a case’ for Chiron ruling Sag, therefore detriment in Gemini, Exalted in Virgo, Fall in Pisces. But I’m pretty sure I said it was a working hypothesis.
In the most recent edition, I wrote that I felt that as Chiron was NOT a planet, and never would be, that the notion of ‘rulership’ perhaps doesn’t apply. That said, I went on to describe how it relates to the Fixed Cross (as distinct from the mutable, as per 1st edition). Then ‘made a case’ for it perhaps being associated with the ‘Cross of the Precessional Age’ (Pisces= mutable cross, then Aquarius = fixed.)
Love,
Melanie
Note, he considers the signs, but he does not write about them in Cosmos and Psyche essentially for PR reasons — the concept of a “zodiac sign” is considered downmarket and unintellectual, per the theory of that book, so he leaves them out. This is btw the best I could reckon in my discussions with him.
Re minor planets, he unwittingly uses one, dwarf planet (134340) Pluto. There is more irony in this than it may seem on the surface. Pluto has in essence tricked all of Western astrology into using a minor planet — even the most ardent objectors to the whole notion.
Richard Tarnas, cultural historian and author of Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View (2006), has advanced the concept of archetypal cosmology: using astrology and planetary correspondences to illustrate patterns in world history.
For Tarnas, the “main astrological focus in archetypal cosmology is on planetary aspects”. Eric has noted that Tarnas does not consider the signs or the minor planets.
Nonetheless, we are free to explore the archetypal resonances of newly discovered planets. Obviously, in the case of Chiron, and centaur planets like Nessus and Asbolus, we draw upon the rich lore of Mount Pelion.
Here’s an excerpt from Tarnas’ “Archetypal Cosmology: A Brief Account” (2011):
The term “archetypal” connotes its origins in both the Platonic-Pythagorean tradition and Jungian depth psychology, with more primordial roots in the mythological and religious experience of the ancients. Each planetary archetype is a multidimensional principle that reflects simultaneously a psychological impulse and formal patterning, as in the Jungian perspective; a transcendent metaphysical cosmic principle, as in the Platonic Ideas; and a numinous mythic being, as expressed in the Homeric epics or in the iconography of the ancient mystery religions, and as experienced in our own age in various forms of non- ordinary states of consciousness.
Archetypal astrology is not concretely predictive, but archetypally predictive. The archetypes are multivalent in their expression, open to creative enactment in a wide variety of ways that are nevertheless reflective of the essential core principle: both life- enhancing and destructive potentials, noble or ignoble, profound or trivial. (. . .)
The main astrological focus in archetypal cosmology is on planetary aspects: the alignments of the planets, Sun, and Moon, in natal charts, personal transits and progressions, and world transits. The evidence suggests the importance of recognizing larger orbs than have generally been used in traditional astrology. Aspects are seen less as acting like isolated on-and-off light switches and more as indicating archetypal wave forms that enter into the individual or collective psychic field, and interact with the larger complex whole of archetypal dynamics cumulatively operative in the field. These are shaped and inflected by the specific circumstances and creative responses of the individuals and communities in question, and then expressed as concrete occasions of experience.
This is where the dignity of human freedom, creativity, and responsibility comes into play. The chordal structures may be given by the cosmos, but the melodies we sing, the dances we dance, are up to us. Archetypes are essentially open to multiple inflections, and they seem to always have a shadow potential. From this perspective, archetypal multivalence in an open universe is directly interconnected with human autonomy. Indeed, some of the archetypes seem to play crucial roles in the evolution of human autonomy itself.
One other distinguishing characteristic of this approach to astrology is the greater awareness of the extent to which the collective and individual are in complex interpenetration, the individual a carrier of the whole, the whole constantly being shaped by the individual. This complex holistic interaction between whole and part is also evident in the way that previous alignments, archetypal infusions, and cultural epochs cumulatively live on in the present, so that we are each carrying the full legacy of history, ancestral, cultural, biological, geological, cosmological, spiritual (. . .)
An essential aspiration of archetypal cosmology is a high level of scholarly rigor and critical discernment in the presentation of evidence and the drawing of conclusions. We would expect and demand the same standards of scholarship and analytical care as would be assumed for any other contemporary academic discipline. Because of the intrinsic multivalence and multidimensionality of the archetypes, and because of the complexity and unpredictability of multiple factors modulating the concrete expression of archetypes in any specific event or experience, our present conviction is that quantitative, statistical methods of analysis do not appear to be adequate for assessing archetypal astrological correlations. These are, certainly at present, too blunt an instrument to register the intricate variations of archetypal patterning in human experience, any more than one could measure the psychological profundity of a Shakespearean play or a Beethoven symphony.
We today in the early twenty-first century who have been initiated into astrology live with a deep sense of paradox. We know that the astrological perspective provides an astonishing source of illumination for virtually every area of human experience, yet we live in an era when it is viewed by the established intellectual authorities as the most lowly and absurd of beliefs. Given our experience of its validity and value, we would imagine that astrology would be held in the highest regard, yet it is the very gold standard of superstition in our culture. And behind this paradox lies a great contradiction: Astrology “works,” consistently, even dazzlingly, yet it contradicts the most basic assumptions of the disenchanted modern cosmology that we all were educated within and that continues to be taught in universities and expressed in most scientific and scholarly literature. Astrology is unintelligible within a randomly evolving universe of purposeless matter and energy.
And this tension of opposites intrinsic to the world of the thoughtful modern astrologer is complicated by yet another: Many practitioners of astrology in our own time continue to impart, often unconsciously, a deterministic, even fatalistic, concretely predictive view of astrological causation in human life, yet the modern self is constituted on a fundamental sense of human freedom and individual self-determination. Such practices make astrology seem not only intellectually naive but morally problematic, psychologically wounding, and deeply out of step with the spirit of the modern self. Yet clearly astrological factors are relevant to understanding the dynamics of human life.
Only by holding these several paradoxes and contradictions as consciously and thoughtfully as possible can we move towards that higher synthesis our culture deeply needs. And indeed, it was thinking through these paradoxes and contradictions that played a crucial role in the emergence of archetypal cosmology.
In the end, I believe that the astonishingly consistent and nuanced reality of the planetary correlations with the archetypal dynamics of human life is one of the most compelling intimations we have that we live in a meaning-laden and purposeful universe — a cosmos that is deeply coherent with our deepest spiritual and moral aspirations. Recognition of these correlations can help us be more consciously co-creative participants in a cosmic unfolding. All of this points to yet another level of archetypal understanding: what Plato would call the Idea of the Good informing the cosmos, what Hegel would call the World Spirit realizing itself through history, and what Jung would call the Self archetype operating within the collective evolution of humankind itself. I believe astrology can serve as a powerful catalyst and vessel of this evolution of consciousness, as it reframes the larger Copernican revolution as part of a long, birth-panged initiation of humanity and the Earth into the larger galactic and cosmic community of being. In this sense, astrology would itself seem to have an archetypal character, as a form of Promethean fire that could help liberate humankind from the collapsing modern containment it has clearly outgrown.
I suggest being careful applying any classical terminology to the newly-discovered points. I personally don’t use any “sect” — day/night issues, rulership, fall, detriment, exaltation, term, face, none of it on the minor planets; I might allude to planets having an affinity for a sign, and then as time goes on I might notice their affinity for another sign.
In any event, I would urge against using rulership-type concepts for minor planets. That system was fixed in ancient times and it applies to ancient planets and is part of the doctrine of signatures. That system (called “sect” or “essential dignities”) is best understood as a whole, self-contained unit [see last item below]. One of its main purposes is for assessing specific issues in nativities and horary, per other ancient rules.
That said, in my personal correspondence with Melanie during Chiron in Pisces, she clearly sees the beauty to the placement and has expressed no negativity at all. The “fall” business is a throwback to the “Chiron rules Virgo” days, which are seeming awfully old, though there is clearly some affinity between Chiron and Virgo. (And Sagittarius. And Taurus. And Pisces.)
In terms of modern use of classical terms, I will go so far as to call Neptune the “modern ruler” of Pisces, and Pluto the “modern ruler” of Scorpio BUT — BUT — I follow an order of operations rule, which is I check classical ruler first, then modern ruler. I.e., if I am delineating something involving Pisces, I follow Jupiter’s aspects, make up the story I see, then go to Neptune, and make up that story.
One other point, regarding the classical rules — it’s VERY good to know the basics. This one link contains the most useful classical astrology book you will ever need, and you can fit it on an index card.
http://planetwaves.net/news/table-of-essential-dignities/
I am currently reading a book by Melanie Reinhart on Chiron, and found that she views Chiron as in its fall in Pisces …. this sounded counter to what I have been hearing on PW re Chiron in Pisces ….
Note to my astrology students — I have worked for many years with both Nessus and Asbolus (since before it was named, in the case of Nessus) and have found neither of them to have such a negative connotation. But then I also work with Chiron and don’t find it to have the negative connotation so often assigned to it by astrologers who don’t study it carefully.
Delineations that cast only ‘negative’ aspects of a point are written from a lack of understanding of the whole process of that point. There may be a few things going on, one of which is bias (often instilled by writers who did not understand the point) that is necessary to get around by doing a lot of world charts and working with people. That starts to cultivate objectivity, but it’s also necessary to be a careful observer and go beyond the obvious levels of the story/narrative.
The other thing to be conscious of is that your relationship to these points is your relationship to them. How you treat them is how they will treat you. Treat them as evil or malicious and they will deliver. Treat them as sources of information, as an ally or mentor, as a partner in your healing process, and they will respond in kind.
If you have any thoughts or questions on this, I’ll be happy to continue the discussion here.
Thank you so much for this post. On Election Day, November 4th, transiting Nessus will once again be conjunct the U.S. Sibly chart’s Moon, both at 27+ Aquarius. Being a Kentuckian, I’m caught up in the race for Mitch McConnell’s U.S. Senate seat, and am particularly gung ho on Alison Lundergan Grimes, the Democrat who will challenge him. She’s only 35 years old and the timing seems to be perfect (thanks to what you have taught us about the minors, including Nessus.)
When McConnell was sworn in for the 1st time the south node was at 26+ Scorpio and transiting Saturn was at 24+ Scorpio. It was 1985. It is going to be the Saturn return for his “birth” into the U.S. Congress and with transiting Nessus conjunct the U.S. Moon on Election Day, I’m hoping Kentuckians will be thinking about breaking the cycle of abuse and deception that has become the calling card of our government. I hope voters will be reminded of who is responsible for much of it.
On that day the voters will be voting, transiting Pholus, another centaur you have made us aware of will conjunct Alison’s natal Mercury, both at 21+ Sagittarius. They will oppose the U.S. Sibly Mars at 21+ Gemini completing a T-square with the U.S. Sibly Neptune at 22+ Virgo. Alison’s north node at 24+ Virgo is very close to the U.S. Neptune and that also means her Mercury in Sagittarius (+ transiting Pholus on Election Day) is half-way between her north and south nodes and in the north bending. What is the Universe telling her?
Another favorite minor planet talked about here is the asteroid Juno. On Election Day transiting Juno at 10+ Leo retrograde will conjunct Mitch McConnell’s natal Chiron at 10+ Leo and Alison’s natal Jupiter at 9+ Leo. Transiting Juno will square the Sun at 11+ Scorpio on Election Day but trine the transiting Aries Moon. Transiting Juno will also oppose Mitch McConnell’s Mercury at 11+ Aquarius (opposite his natal Chiron) and I’m hoping this will mean that the women (transiting Aries Moon trine Juno) and men too, voting in Kentucky will see beyond the negative ads (Mercury) McConnell will run against her.
When I first heard Alison’s name I thought they said Alice in Wonderland Grimes. Turns out that transiting asteroid Alice will be at 25+ Taurus on Election Day, putting her where the north node of that day was – in 1985 – when Mitch McConnell was first sworn in 30 years before. She will be opposite transiting Saturn at 24+ Scorpio and conjunct Mitch’s natal Uranus at 26+ Taurus, and trine Alison’s natal Ceres at 26+ Capricorn and trine her Virgo north node as well.
I find it interesting that Alice will be only 3 degrees ahead of where the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction in May 2000 occurred, which transiting Saturn is opposite, and only one degree from where transiting Sedna sits below the sea. Many of our symbols in astrology were badly wounded in their myths; Sedna lost her fingers as well as her mortality, Chiron, Pholus, Nessus, Saturn, Uranus. . . . . . . nobody seems to have died peacefully and I sense a pattern here. With transiting Saturn opposite where he was in 2000, and transiting Sedna conjunct the north node of 1985, I wonder if we have we finally learned something from our past mistakes or will we just keep on wounding ourselves and each other.
This election will give me (and everyone else who is interested) a front row seat as to how Nessus and several other minor planets energies translate in the world of politics, or should I call it Wonderland!
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Nessus in Aquarius was in a long square to Asbolus in Taurus with nine exact stations from 2009 to 2013. Faster moving Asbolus (4 ge 25′) entered Gemini last May. Nessus (1 pi 7′) entered Pisces this April. After living through so much dynamic astrology, will we individually and collectively take responsibility (Nessus), honor what we intuitively know (Asbolus), work cooperatively and lead courageously, doing what we can to help? Or will we persist in narrow self-interest (Nessus) and heedlessly charge onward (Asbolus) to our demise?
Harry S. Truman Library Trivia Collection Says:
The saying “the buck stops here” derives from the slang expression “pass the buck” which means passing the responsibility on to someone else. The latter expression is said to have originated with the game of poker, in which a marker or counter, frequently in frontier days a knife with a buckhorn handle, was used to indicate the person whose turn it was to deal. If the player did not wish to deal he could pass the responsibility by passing the “buck,” as the counter came to be called, to the next player.*