The awe and excitement I experienced at the time of the following conversation (even I had a moment of can-this-be-true?) was almost overpowering. I became aware of a grand being — a star — willing to explain things at my level, all the while sensing the underlying love and delight being poured upon me, helping me to be at ease. I know you will enjoy the references to Eric. My comments are in brackets. — Elisa
Elisa to the Oak: Do you know of the discussions I’ve had with Eric Francis about facilitating workshops together, combining systemic constellations and Laboratory of Life and astrology? I have some ideas of how it could work, but is it necessary? Is it just adding a layer of symbology and causing obscuration or is it truly exploring aspects and influences that have real meaning, and are clues to a healing/growing process? Are you aware of astrology?
Oak: We are aware of the way in which stars and planets and other bodies cause tides of influence, yes, and we don’t want to be taking their own words and translating, so you can go directly to the source.
Who is that? [Amazed.]
You can talk to a star that is having an influence in a great fashion for people and other beings and see what it says.
How do I meet a star? Can we be introduced?
Already happening now.
It feels like an enormous presence. [Also male.]
It is enormous.
Elisa to the Star: I don’t know how to address you. Can you speak in words to me?
Star: I already have and have spoken to others. They have already published my words, though they are not aware of this.
And Eric? Are you in contact with him?
He is my beloved. I cannot influence anyone without permission though I speak “out of turn” you might say, on numerous occasions.
You like to talk?
I am ‘programmed’ to by my ancestors who are Ones that speak out constantly, too. We all have our influences.
Can I introduce you to my work and ask how it could benefit others to include the influence of “heavenly bodies?”
I have already been watching and observing since your first big meeting. [I thought he meant the Godwork Meeting we held in 1997, but he meant the first one 15,000 years ago.] And we are aware that we can be helpful. But we influence many places and focusing down to the minutiae happens rarely. Fortunately for you, I am a busybody. [Laughter.]
What is the relationship of people’s lives and the stars at their birth or any other time?
We set the pattern in congruence with those beings who decide how to influence a lifetime of a single soulic manifestation. We do not change ourselves, but set the timing. Unfortunately or not, there is no single influence — all is accounted — the family, the lifetimes’ history, the spiritual forces in residence, and our natures, which do have specific personalities and relativism.
But many astrologers cannot see the poly-nature of these lifetimes in the context of a larger universe in which everything is functioning together toward a general rising or upliftment of soul’s consciousness. It is all working there in complex structures that interact mellifluously over time and inter-dimensionally to make sure that each soul has equal chance to survive intact and to be educated appropriately and to return to its original parentage in this spiritual realm in which it takes its paradise nature.
I wish I could understand this better.
Go inside and see how you are created. Each molecule has no form or reference point unless is it connected to others in this matrix you call your body. That gives it a meaning and a purpose.
So meaning and purpose only come about in relationship?
That is what calls for the rhythmic structure of each cell and atom out of nothingness or everythingness into a real-time action.
And you stars; do you take form and meaning from each other’s presence, too?
We do, but more so. We comb through each other’s aspects to find out how we can co-create together and then we have fun together.
Is this universe truly based in having fun?
It is, my dearest.
Then why do we take it so seriously? Why are we not having fun constantly?
You haven’t learned how to enjoy this moment without comparing it to others. There is a hierarchy of wonderfulness that creates a nuisancing. You are irritated when you cannot meet your intention, which is based in something imagined rather than just tuning into your real nature(s).
I want to attune to this fun. I’ve been overly focused on the problems and issues that need to be “fixed;” things undone, the world not set right, dishes in the sink, bills.
Yes, this worrying is not helpful. It causes separation with the core essence. The heart of this universe is having a good time [a double entendre?]. Playfulness reigns supreme and it is all done in a harmonious state; no harm is ever done.
Even here?
You experience misery because you take life seriously and you identify with your bodies and physiological needs to the extent that you lose your wonderful silliness. Gain that back. Bring laughter and enjoyment back to this world.
And what about war and starvation and cruelty?
You can start with you my dear, and those who came out of harms way to grow. There is no bad influence except it is allowed in the consciousness and people bring themselves to difficult situations in order to learn how to extricate themselves from them.
How do we set up these constellations?
By learning how they are trying to be helpful. See them in relationships.
The stars themselves, the meanings given by astrologers, the emotions they represent?
The actual influence of the spatial arrangements of the stars would be difficult to obtain, so use these star charts that Eric prepares and his own awareness of how they influence people or not. He has the star charts memorized in this soulic connection, having centuries of experience of traveling through the universes and seeing how each society makes its presence known.
Are you talking about other planets and places besides this one?
This one, and others too, yes.
And so it is already encoded in Eric’s being?
It is not encoded, but the knowledge is held in spatial sequences of numbers and names and experiences, tags, etc. You can try it out and play and see the profound influences and how they can work together.
That is my idea — to harmonize and work through difficult places in a person’s psyche with this chart as a map.
You can do that. Be aware that there are many who would not like to be influenced at all and are wanting to shed themselves of all these influences to become free.
Is that possible? [I remember a teacher talking about living from the center of the chart when I studied astrology.]
It is possible to be at a center point and allow all to float away into nothingness and then be left with no outside influences and then there is no consideration left, no fun!
Ah-ha, we are doing this life for fun and that has to be the prime consideration.
Exactly.
Is there more? I am grateful for this.
There is lots more, enormous caches of information. We will feed it through in this exploration if you so choose.
I’d be grateful. Thank you!
You are beautiful my dear.
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Paola and Fe both beautifully express my reaction to this shared dialogue, and I think we are all delighting in it… How freeing, this seeing. I just love you, Elisa Novick. Big hug!! So ready for next download, and will be endeavoring to listen deeply myself. 🙂 Thank you beyond words for gifting to us the knowledge and vision of what is possible and indeed true.
This conversation opens and expands my heart up like a brightly lit red balloon!!
Dear Elisa, as a comparative newcomer to the world of planet waves your conversations with Eric were the first I listened to. The wisdom and healing in the words I heard, and the energy around those words was a source of great comfort to me at the time – thank you.
I read this wonderful conversation with the star earlier today. At that time I found my crown chakra opening and I received something which made me both feel both giddy and dizzy.
I went about my day – it was a good day – and I have felt that energy around still…slowly seeping into my being…wonderful, thank you!!
Some years ago I attended a weekend course with around 60 other people. We sat in a huge circle and under the guidance of a man called Keith Casburn, we pulled down energies from various stars over 2 days. It was an overwhelming experience for many there and it helped me in my healing journey…I have reconnected with this again.
Also I rediscovered a book which was important to me at that time. It is
“Starlight Elixirs and Cosmic Vibrational Healing “…I have been looking it at again with ‘new eyes’.
Blessings and thanks
Something makes me think the trees and the stars also spoke to this person:
1927 prose poem Desiderata by American writer Max Ehrmann (1872–1945).[1]
Go placidly amidst the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its shams, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.[1]
W-O-W. Amazing. From my wonderful silliness I thank you dearly… this is one of the most fantastic dialogues I have ever read.
elisa i love the photo of the tree and the stars… so so very beautiful
after all, “as far as we can discern, the universe is a very silly place,” according to albert einstein. so why shouldn’t we have fun, if the rest of the universe is, too?
😉
“…people bring themselves to difficult situations in order to learn how to extricate themselves from them.”
Yes! But I have found, too, that realizing this lightens the load.