There is a such a thing as full of shit — or as Jerry would sing, “There’s a thin line beyond which you really can’t fake.”
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ps found this comment in a thread after they’d talked about how the post on the examiner wasn’t necessarily a great source. i chuckled.
“The fact that they all cracked down at the same time certainly shouldn’t lead one to this conclusion until the Feds come out and admit it. Common sense is illegal so wait until Big Bro tells you what to think.”
Fe – the new headline on daily k-os reads, “REAL Update this time- Homeland Security is (still probably) NOT coordinating Occupy Crackdown!” (updated on Tues evng)
(“probably”)
in it, it talks about the examiner website: “In other words….it’s a blog! It’s a media aggregate site” maybe right wing people post on it, maybe other people do too
– also from the k-os story, it mentions that Keith Olbermann and Michael Moore were discussing the (possible) Homeland Security connection
Len – yes, when 18 mayors do a conference call on ‘how to deal with this occupy stuff’, and then you see all these different cities getting cracked down on, i would call that ‘coordinated’
… and it makes me wonder, who set up the conference call?
(note: another report puts it at 11 mayors in on the call)
and how I introduced that topic was basically, where does Obama stand/act on this?
yes he initially said he understood the reasons why people were frustrated, or something along those lines (so did on of the top people from the Federal Reserve, and a bunch of other politicians) … but do we really think that any of these people in authority are supportive of these kind of movements?
– also, i was thinking about how, if Obama had actually implemented some (positive) change, he probably could’ve easily preempted this whole movement … instead of this growing sense of disillusionment with, as gwind pointed out, all this caricature and absurdity of people who pretend to be on your side
Fe: Thank you for the detective work. Based on your report about what the Oakland mayor said, there was evidently some sort of collaboration between municipalities, don’t you think?
FYI:
Homeland Security never ordered a crackdown on the OWS demonstrations nationwide. It wasn’t involved. The information that spread was spread through the Examiner. The Examiner is owned by a right-wing media mogul named Anschutz. Here’s the take from Media Matters for America:
The other right-wing media mogul you should worry about
November 25, 2009 7:09 pm ET
If you like what Rupert Murdoch, the right-wing billionaire behind Fox News and the New York Post, has done for the national discourse, you’ll love what Philip Anschutz is trying to do in your hometown.
Anschutz built his fortune — his $8 billion net worth is good for 36th place on the Forbes 400, ahead of better-known Murdoch and Steve Jobs — in the oil and gas industry, augmented with railroad and telecommunications holdings, as well as Regal Cinemas and the production company behind The Chronicles of Narnia films.
The far-right American Spectator describes Anschutz as “a committed conservative” who “gives lots of money to the Republican National Committee and to GOP candidates” and is “friendly with fellow oilman George W. Bush.”
In 2005, Media Matters detailed Anschutz’s history of conservative activism:
Anschutz has a history of supporting socially conservative causes. According to a recent Post article, Anschutz’s family foundation gave James Dobson, the founder of the conservative Christian organization Focus on the Family, an award for his “contributions to the American Family.” The Post noted that according to the foundation’s website, Focus on the Family works to “counter the media-saturating message that homosexuality is inborn and unchangeable” and that one of the group’s policy experts referred to abortion as an example of when “Satan temporarily succeeds in destroying God’s creation.” Further, as the Post mentioned, Anschutz contributed $10,000 in 1992 to Colorado Family Values in support of the group’s efforts to pass a state constitutional amendment to invalidate state and local laws that prohibited discrimination based on sexual orientation. (The referendum passed, but the United States Supreme Court struck it down as unconstitutional.) According to the Post, “Anschutz’s money helped pay for an ad campaign that said such anti-bias laws gave gays and lesbians ‘special rights.'”
In May 2003, the Orange County Weekly reported that other Anschutz Foundation beneficiaries include the Institute for American Values, which according to the Weekly “campaigns against single parenting,” and Enough is Enough, which “promotes Internet censorship.” The San Francisco Chronicle noted on February 20, 2004, that Anschutz also funds Morality in Media. As Media Matters previously noted, the Institute for American Values also receives funding from the conservative Bradley and Scaife foundations, as well as grants from the John M. Olin Foundation, another major financer of conservative organizations. Enough is Enough and Morality in Media have also received funding from the conservative Castle Rock Foundation.
In recent years, Anschutz has turned his attention to his media holdings, including his movie production company. And he is building a news-media empire, as well: he bought the San Francisco Examiner in 2004 and launched the Washington Examiner the next year, while trademarking the “Examiner” name in more than 60 cities. And earlier this year, Anschutz purchased The Weekly Standard from Murdoch.
Anschutz and the people in his employ are quick to counter suggestions that his right-wing politics drive editorial decisions at his newspapers. A 2007 profile of Anschutz in American Journalism Review included a Washington Examiner editor stressing that Anshutz had told him “All I want to do is put out quality newspapers.” A 2004 Washington Post article quoted another Anschutz employee stressing that Anschutz had “taken no hand in the operations, nor in demanding any particular editorial policy.”
But Anschutz’s publications certainly do reflect his conservative views.
..fire on the mountain..
“as Homeland Security national program to shut down Occupy camps takes effect”
fluidity:
Do you have a link for that?
Fluidity: glad you mentioned the genocide of the Blacks by the new army in charge, it’s been talked about so little.
Just caught up with this. Was there gin in his water bottle? Actually he could have done with some brandy, he was so hopelessly out of his depth… If it had been a job interview, he’d never have got the job…
There is an old saying, “You can’t put 10lbs. of shit into a 5lb. bag.”
I think he is a perfect politician. Politicians are becoming caricatures of themselves to the point that the public is finally beginning to recognize the absurdity. I thought George Bush was the pinnacle of that one, but I guess we needed to war a little more. There is hope though….
meanwhile, Obama has hailed the ‘successful revolution’ without mention of the genocide of Blacks being perpetrated by the new army in charge, or of the destruction of civilian infrastructure (not to mention civilians themselves) from foreign bombs ….
… and pretty much the whole mainstream media has perpetrated the lies that Gaddaffi was committing genocide, war crimes, etc at the start …
and Cain says he would have found out more about the opposition before putting them in power (but apparently that’s just salesmanship?)
how did that ‘award for best marketing program of the year’ Obama campaign pan out once he got in? ;P
(as Homeland Security national program to shut down Occupy camps takes effect)
that’s “hope and change you can believe in”© (aka 9-9-9)
not saying I like Cain, but sometimes the slick ones are the most dangerous
“Personally, I think it’s refreshing to see someone try to give an honest answer.”
Lula, that looks like honesty to you?
Ha ha, Len! Where I am, repeating nine-nine-nine will get you the emergency services 🙂
I did wonder if my lack of general knowledge of Cain might be causing me to misunderstand some context. Thanks for the heads-up.
Lula,
Thank you for your spirit of fairness. Pallas must be strong with you. Please note, however, that this is not the first time Mr. Cain has demonstrated an appalling disconnect with issues of foreign policy. Repeating a slogan like “nine-nine-nine” over and over again might sell pizza but it cannot be mistaken for substance.
Maybe he groped all those women because somebody asked him a question about foreign policy and he was stalling for time.
Now, I know Mr Cain is not going to win any popularity awards on this site. I don’t know much about him, personally, except that a lot of people don’t want him to be president. I have no views on him. Evidently there are sexual harassment issues. I don’t know the extent or the validity of these. Just preparing my ground before I make my comment!
Ok, so the fumbling at the beginning was pretty terrible. They say he was tired – I’ve no doubt it’s tiring running for president, and for this reason alone I would question his suitability for office, as he’d have lots of sleepless (or very little sleep) nights ahead of him. For four years. That’s a long time to be tired. Trust me, I know – I have a kid who still hasn’t learned how to sleep the night through at nearly 5.
However, he made a good point about not really being able to answer the question directly, as he wasn’t privy to information that Obama would have been privy to. He’s also right that before anybody supported the uprising, they should have known who the rebels are and whether Libya is just jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. It’s likely that the Obama administration DID know who the rebels are, and I think Cain is right to say that he can’t really comment without the full facts. Here seems to me to be a clear cut case of the media pushing him for a statement that he didn’t want to make. That was why it was weak. Clearly he needs some lessons from pros like Tony Blair on how to avoid giving straight answers 🙂 Personally, I think it’s refreshing to see someone try to give an honest answer.
The poor fellow has done more to damage his candidacy and reputation than all of his competitors put together. Then again, the rest of the Republican presidential candidates are pretty darn busy doing the same thing.
Can someone please enlighten me on the astrology of the GOP charade of candidates?
I can only continue to wonder what the hell is behind this “appetizer buffet” of candidates (as Cobert called it). Oh, I know what’s “behind” it – corpornicated campaign financing. But, jeesh, why so many for so long? It’s clear that no one has any form of leadership of the Pubs or Baggers.
Sigh. Another damned year of this? Oy. And vay.
JannKinz
yes, about as difficult as throwing a ball to a dog. clearly, he’s not Herman Canine.
Was this a pop quiz?