Apropos of our earlier discussion of space aliens, I just wandered into the kitchen of Peter B’s deli to gab with the cook, John — who is a devotee of conspiracies, and mentioned that I kept hearing that the UFO files would allegedly be coming out soon. “Yes, we’ve been hearing that for about 50 years,” he said with a little snark. True enough…
Here is the catch. There are at least two separate phenomena involved in this thing we call UFOs. One involves critters zooming across space in their warp-speed Chevrolets and tooling around, sometimes landing and abducting people and all of that. The other is a multidimensinal thing: entities coming in from other dimensions of reality and taking recognizable form in our dimension. These were the critters that offered Robert Anton Wilson corn muffins that time, who he believed were leprechauns taking up the modern mythological garb of “space aliens.”
Some of these entities may bridge the gap. For example, there is a body of UFO-related information which says that there was a cataclysm on Mars many millennia ago that left millions of space aliens (the first kind of ET) without bodies, and they are currently moving around in another dimension (the second kind of ET).
If and when the government releases its files, they are only likely to tell part of the story (indeed, for many reasons, a small part), becaue I think that it’s unlikely that any to-be-made-public government file about a supposedly scientific phenomenon is going to open up the milti-D can of worms, which is more in the realm of spirituality. But of course…you never know until you know and even then, you find out something new.
Official sources admitting the existence of UFOs would be one of the most profound paradigm shifts of our lives. It is true that nearly everyone either believes in them or feels that it’s possible, though we’ve had plenty of help from Orson Welles and Steve Speilberg and Robert Heinlein and many other writers, adjusting our belief systems. Still, when the thing actually happens, it will turn the world upside down for a while. I remember the summer of 1986 when I learned about the truth of Roswell…it changed everything for me.
cc7, the reason I ask the question concerns child rearing, on which you definitely have valuable input. I have been exposed to the “gifted and talented” labelled children. The education system is addressing these students by allowing academic access to meet their learning abilities.
This child academically moves beyond the age peer group. This child can reason. But this child is also emotionally his/her chronological age. One parent has described her child labelled as such, as emotionally raw.
The “time out” line of direction appeared to give settle out time opening into discussion between parent and child.
I take classes at a standard tech school because I love this generation coming up the ranks. And also I am very interested in the teaching methods being employed. And there is meat in the technology that is being taught.
The subject of “time out” came up and a student cried out that it was the worst thing ever. She described it as isolation. I am interested in your input on this.
victoria,
First, to give credit where it is due, it wasn’t my theory but Robert Anton Wilson’s. Second, he didn’t mention walking away (that i recall) but I don’t see why that wouldn’t be a valid response as well. Walking away also stops the spread of the negativity (as long as after walking away, you don’t then dump on someone in turn) so it is also powerful.
cc7, about the dump, and turning it around. Does your theory include room to walk away?
Eric,
You mention RAW…are you a fan of his work? I read Cosmic Trigger way back when I was 18 years old and Promethius Rising a few years after that. His ideas and theories have made a lot of sense when looking at the whole “alien” issue.
Yet my favorite part of his book, Cosmic Trigger, was an idea he called “stopping the wheel of Karma.” This was (to paraphrase) the idea that just because someone dumps bad energy on you by mistreating you doesn’t mean you have to in turn dump that bad energy on someone else by mistreating them. You have the power to stop the snowball effect in its tracks. This ability is one that can make a huge difference in the world if everyone practiced it as often as possible. Reading his book made me aware that people often do mean or rude things to each other because they are unhappy or are having a difficult day or they feel rejected. Instead of taking their meanness personally, RAW seemed to say it is better to stop that snowball and instead, give back to these people some compassion. In that moment of reading his book, I understood far more fully the messages of the Christ or Buddha or Ghandi or the Dalai Lama. All the years of forced attendance in holy roller churches didn’t make me see that message like Cosmic Trigger did.
But I digress. Aliens, like the near death experiences seem to take on the archetypes we assign them based on what we are trying to explain and on our own “programs” that we have been raised with. For example of how our “programs” that we have been raised with works: a person steeped their entire lives in the Christian religion has a near death experience and sees Jesus. Another person steeped in an un-religious belief system has a near death experience and sees a light. They may both be experiencing hallucinatory brain firings just before near-death but their programming causes them to interpret their experiences differently.
Imagine Travis Walton, who was allegedly taken up into a real UFO in 1975 from the woods near Snowflake, Arizona. His experiences were entirely colored by his upbringing and beliefs.
Am I smarter than a fifth grader? The facts are on the list. I can only remember a couple of them. Mars has a big volcano named Olympus. It has many rivers but they are all dry. And Mars has two moons.
Mars higher vibration Pluto must be all gas cuz that seems to be the symptoms. She who lives on salads and cereals has a big problem when she bites into pizzas and subs. Me I’ve been living on caffeine and nuts, literally. It’s time to move into the spring greens.
I asked my Indian after the luney moon what of it? He just shook his head and said you are on your own kid.
ps, I know tachy painted with this shit, but I just want to flush it. I know I am in dilemma, composting toilet or a low water flush. The thing about the compost toilet is that the company says I should use composting material which is basically peat moss. I am bogged down. I could just change my diet so that what runs out of me is all biodegradeable. But that’s a tough budget for me. I am working this budget in all kinds of ways and doing what I can to help out in the mean time. And I been busy. I know I am sloppy on this astro stuff, but I think Saturn going to Libra will be about relationship to earth for me.
It’s the question I answered. It’s like the earth asked a question and man came for her so she could come for him. The problem with the christ consciousness or whatever other name you give it is that we all follow around the messenger stamping him with the authority stamp.
So I feel like instead of cummin out, or cummin for you, or cummin for myself, or cummin in the toilet, we should all just cum into the earth. It’s an excess energy release for me, just shooting in the air. When I cum into the earth, she cums for me. And I don’t care what kind of ground a person stands on, put something there and watch it grow and see what it does, and what cums to feed on it. Best results I hear are if it is something native cuz insects only know what they evolve with. And the other thing I explore is that insects are the connectors of the system.
I know this is a rough transition. And somewhere in this there is a budget to balance. Because it’s worth it. I am healing right along with the Big D or is it the big O.
We look into the crystal to see the indigo.
I see lots of peace signs cropping up. Is there a planetary body pattern for that out there?
ps ps, I knew a moss too. Her name was Mary Chris Moss.
I just drove through ojai, kinduv hard to find ets there. But I know they love it, cuz I do. Kinduv looked like a great big garden. Maybe the call of the wild, the primal alliance. That dahlly barbie sure is having a hard return.
I know some very cool ETs who live in Ojai!
PS-I see we’re back in the bucket, but it ain’t quite as tight as it was.
Thanks victoria, I needed to smile ‘cuz today I feel alien too. Problems with a sore jaw (tooth that has loose filling I keep pickin’ on) and sore throat from snorin’ during what little sleep I got last night. Wanna get back on the space ship & fly home. But too much to do today and can’t let people down. Poor me. ‘stead, I’ll just print out your little Travel Channel piece and carry it with me, picturing you spittin’ out pea soup, and just stay right here on earth. For a while anyway.
Maybe it ain’t ohio. Maybe its ojai.
I confess it now, I am an alien. That’s what I am feeling like. But as soon as I tried that on as I walked today, I felt like everybody else I meet on the way is the aliens. But there all waving and smiling so it’s okay.
I saw the funniest thing on the travel channel some years ago. Actually had to be in the last few years. Now when I see travel channel I was always thinking lifestyles of the rich and famous. But some guy he made a show about Roswell. It was a hoot. One of the great works of our time. Truly a classic, I wonder if it would look the same if I saw it again.
And that was not linda blair. That was me spittin out my pea soup at the man in black who come to the door with his black book. Bringing his big old black bird to cast a shadow over my old house. Like on the full moon day.
Richard Burton he’s like a knight. He should have known better than that. But I forgive him. He was probably just havin nightmares about liz. The one that come to my house was young like luke skywalker. I think he’s a trickster.
Now I do get my freak on, especially now. But I hear the young say evil and shudder. I tell them it is just live spelled backwards. Those who just don’t know how to live. They got it all backwards. I have resembled that from time to time, like when luney merc is rx.
Everything is in bloom today. I take a walk and I find the spot. It is beautiful. There are violets and trilliums, and mayflowers, and of course, some shader invaders. Alot of work to do around here. I’d ask, but I think I’m just gonna hop the fence and go to it. Lots of neighbors outside today, except the ones that ain’t.
I go to my neighbors and the vehicles are home but the house seem empty. I start thinking, my neighbors have been abducted. But I find them with some more neighbors.
Yeah, I agree. Maybe it’s time for a day trip to Roswell?!
Too verbose as usual, my point was only that as one approaches not only the concept, but the action of being ‘whole’, experiencing and accepting wholeness is easier no matter whether dimensional or ebe.
Barbara Hand Clow asserts that Nibiri is a home of aliens which will be visiting in person again soon, and maybe are here now dimensionally. I can not disagree.
Taking a Buddhist perspective however brings it all back to the bodhi tree and buddha (the human person) facing all the forces of separativeness until seeing through the illusion to unity. At this stage, ebe or dimensional energy is moot, all merges back into “clear light.” Seeing ‘clear light’ is an experience each person knows if they have had or not, unequivocably, though different in manifestation (no two enlightenment stories the same).
Roswell: It’s one place I have managed to avoid in NM myself over the decades despite spending time alone at base of Shiprock or deep in Carlsbad Caverns. But, then I’ve also avoided the Trinity Site preferring visits to the VLA (very large array telescopes) and to the sacred beyul up north where I root.
Some of the 2012 predictions indicate the EBE’s will return around this marker. Belly up to the Tatouine bar for some blue punch!!!
It would be fun to trace all the conspiracy theories back to the single emanation?!!
I was a Rainbow Girl once upon a time. I won’t tell you my color station. I will tell you a friend got invited back in late 80’s early 90’s to the Vatican to look at some old furniture designs with carved details, etc when suddenly they pulled the authorization and denied anyone looking at the stuff. Encryption is power…
What I truly don’t get, even from Buddhism, despite all MEN emanating from female loins, is the spiritual preference or historical record of higher merit being assigned to men of any spiritual tradition or discipline for that matter.
Even Machig Labdron, one of the very, very few female progenitors of a complete religious ideology, CHOD, Tibetan foundational work based upon the Prajnaparamita Sutra also, is in this life, now, reincarnated as a man who renounced worldly life and life as the formal tulku, to go study in Beijing. And, she, Machig, was a balanced woman.
As a Catholic preteen back in the 70’s, this was scary stuff for me… they told me it was really “demons.” Between that and Linda Blair, I was a basket case.
Now, I’m completely fascinated by all of this… Uranus in the 3rd wins out. :-} Would love to have an opportunity to communicate with “alien” beings, whatever they say they are or whatever they might be. I’ll be the judge of who’s good or evil. Like us, they are probably a mix of both.
quote from Crystal Links about Karma – lest anyone start thinking they are a born loser.
One frequently misunderstood concept regarding reincarnation has to do with karma. From the standpoint of the Cayce material, karma is not destiny; it is only memory. These memories are generally unconscious and influence our abilities, our faults, even our relationships with others, but with free will we can meet this memory as a positive or a negative experience. Karma provides us with the potential to learn a lesson we need in order to grow at a soul level, and free will determines whether or not we choose to learn it at this time. The choices we make determine the next set of potential experiences we encounter.
Edgar Cayce said in one of his readings that our horoscope is made up from our previous incarnations on other planets, and our karma is revealed therein.
Hmm. Might have to start visiting the local library again to start reading up on the issue – for some reason I’m not going interneting on this…
<< also i have read stuff about how �aliens’ are simply how we understand some phenomena that we can’t fully understand, it is our interpretation that makes them what they seem to be (i would assume this applies especially to the �multi-dimensional’ stuff mentioned here) so i would be wary of assigning any certainty to what it actually is >>
This is what Robert Anton Wilson was getting at. This is the ‘spiritual’ side of the metaphor. This is the Grays manifesting as cool if you’re cool and as an asshole if you’re an asshole. And who knows, this might be actual EBEs. The ‘other side’ is the actual extraterrestrial visitor side of the equation. These entities often seem to have, by all reports, some skill with the dimensions; i.e., how they can cloak a three mile ship so it looks like the night sky. But they are not the metaphorical aliens; they are the ‘actual’ ones.
All the quotes here are because we obviously have to stretch our perceptual set and our concepts in order to be able to grasp any of this…
My perspective on this is going to sound pretty far out, so here goes.
I have been into sci-fi ever since my early teens, so about 30 years…
In the next world horoscopes for aquarius, Eric says something about aquarians as space aliens (I’d reference it better but my password’s not working…) and I’ve toyed with that idea for years now.
Ram Das says we’re all here in our ‘earth suits’, which can be extrapolated further into an idea that we are all already ‘space aliens’. This physical reality may just be a hologram we’re all using to understand/practice concepts like water, and love.
Here’s some imagery to ponder. I freedive, a wacky fun sport that combines diving with yoga. Check out this imagery:
http://festival.sundance.org/2009/film_events/films/cove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qSQVCBa31Y&feature=related
And this, mind blowing flying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F9RJSPnf8A&feature=related
Humans are clearly pushing the limits of their earth suits. Perhaps some of us know on some level that we are boundless, we have had other physical experiences that don’t share the limits of our earth suits. These could be other lifetimes here on earth, or other lifetimes on some other planets.
As for non-human entities…
I live in the northwest, about an hour from an alien hot spot. I’ve seen stuff here at my house once that I can’t explain…
Like the movie ‘Contact’ – if it’s just us, it seems like an awful waste of space.
something to think about:
i have been a bit checking into some of the ‘conspiracy’ theories of people like Alan Watt, of cuttingthroughthematrix.com … he is about how there is a ruling elite (masons, etc) who have bad plans for the rest of humanity and how in this current time these plans (developed over long long time periods) are coming to fruition, etc … anyways i heard him talking about the subject of aliens (i guess specifically that they are in league with and/or running things in terms of this type of plotting) and how he was offered ‘success’ (aka big promotion of book, fame, fortune) if he was to include aliens in his theories. aka some other of the theorists out there. but he turned it down. but what he was implying was that there are some (human) forces out there who want people to be distracted by ‘aliens’ when there is something afoot in the realms of human domination/subjagation.
also i have read stuff about how ‘aliens’ are simply how we understand some phenomena that we can’t fully understand, it is our interpretation that makes them what they seem to be (i would assume this applies especially to the ‘multi-dimensional’ stuff mentioned here) so i would be wary of assigning any certainty to what it actually is
yes i’ve seen lots of stuff on the internet, and in a couple books (and now even here on this site) telling me things about aliens that i have no direct experience knowing, that seem very enticing to believe, and have liked believing what i was reading, but there is also something that tells me not to necessarily believe just cause it’s being put out there.
disinformation?
By “whole” I am being metaphorical. I don’t think they’re going to reveal the treaty. What I mean is a representative sampling of the data. I haven’t read the file, and I’ve intentionally stayed away from it. What I am saying is that I think the public file is going to contain mainly traditional reports of close encounters, you know, 1st kind, 2nd kind and 3rd kind; garden variety extraterrestrials and extrabiological entities (EBEs). I just cannot see them trying to explain multidimensional impostors of EBEs.
The Roswell thing is that it did happen, and that EBEs were recovered and were taken to Hangar 18. Essentially the story as we know it is true; as best I know, and again I do NOT have documents; and for that matter I would not trust most available documents. Give me a weekend and an old typewriter and I could make you a great ET file.
Hmm,
I haven’t thought about the subject for years… I devoured every book I could find on it in the local library, but haven’t touched the subject in years…Not sure what made me ‘drop’ it.
What’s the Roswell ‘truth’?
PS I have flown part way around the world, several times, in order to investigate what I came to understand via other dimensions. Make not mistake, this is the hard path to trusting oneself, at least in my experience, and profoundly frustrating and expensive. When you come to discover that everything is true, and was, and will be, even before expending all ones resources – physical, mental, spiritual – you fall into grief for a spell learning more about love and trust than you could ever conceive.
How can a “whole” body of information come out at once when the experiences only come dimensionally, one or three at a time?
Knowledge may not be truth and vice versa.
I do not subscribe to promoting Caroline Myss carte blanche (mainly for reasons of tone and attitude), but she was right on the money pointing out strongly that a spiritual crisis is different than a physical crisis though the two may look very similar.
In the last few decades, at least in the USA, where we have gone through a reductionism to specialization, people have been treated “in pieces.” This has led in my experience to such fragmentation, alienation, that of course, people can brain wash themselves. For example, I have a sister who is a vet, a nuclear missile vet, programmed to turn “the key.” And, our/my freedom, she asserts, is due to her willingness to take on the “Enemy.” Hmmm.
In a world where stability, and even brash bulldozing foundational stability is venerated above all else, marginalizing fluidity, sensitivity and even demonizing such characteristics as “weak,” anyone seriously discussing alt energies must be courageous and strong in a way most do not understand. It takes profound trust to “come out.” Just yesterday I was told I was “too sensitive” and that I needed to let things wash over me.
Fuck that.
If I feel something, I feel something. With experience I learn and process and find my way, but simply saying, ‘buck up,’ when a rude lawyer (the kind who has already decided the chain of events ((in this case a work neighbor missing an important package)) and will ram it down your throat and sacrum) popped up and I told him to back off in the moment, but later needed to cry.
I have had a few people tell me their stories from the northwest or the Palo Alto hills of aliens, but only after they fully trusted me, and presented from a story mode of non-ego. When I was a little girl, I played with “leprechauns” in Oregon Cascades. I will not tell you of what you would call my ‘dream world’ today, but suffice it to say right now, I will stand behind and support myself and others who speak of multi-dimensional life and experience. It’s a tough, challenging space to transit, live in/with, and share even with ‘open’ folks. And, for myself, PROFOUNDLY frustrating [level of intimacy is off the charts compared to 3D realm], erotically enjoyable [porn pales in comparison folks], scary, loving, and basically full of everything this 3D life is, but more vivid, with a cast of characters beyond star wars and yet, and yet.
I continue to ask the question, what is beyond archetype?
And, I think this is the shift of the ages coming. We will grow beyond being scared of ourselves and casting off the unknown into ‘alien’ form. Instead of trying to model or recognize ‘archetypes’ we will become ourselves, in every cell, deep from the hidden heart, embracing the unknown of wholeness whereby each and every moment we recognize we are devil, god/goddess, savior, martyr, saint, weakling, lover, friend, parent, child, community member with powers and freedoms beyond our current conception.