I tried posting this article yesterday but it kept bumping me out. Here’s a paragraph and the full article can be found on Bicycling dot com. It’s a very good minute read.
“Lance has always had a lot of control, power, and influence. During the investigations he lost much of that control as he scrambled around trying to figure out what was happening. He lost his power and influence once the USADA report came out. As only Lance is capable of, I feel he is now back in control. Lance waited until all the governing bodies had made their decisions regarding his sanctions and then he chose his next step. He waited for some time to pass and picked the time, place, and forum to come out publicly with his admission. Now he holds more information than everyone put together and his risk of falling from grace is removed. If anyone had something on Lance Armstrong to keep him quiet it’s worthless now. Lance has control now because he can decide what, when, and how to reveal information regarding his racing days and the doping that took place. Ultimately he can decide who he takes down with him.
In my eyes that makes him just as dangerous as before.” – F Andreu
One quality of our society is we love the whole redemption thing, with or without remorse. Hey without remorse you’re that much more of the douche bag everyone can look up to because no matter what happened you won the game, with your million dollar deal. You cheated and got busted and hey you still won the game. We have no reason to think that Lance will be anyone but Lance, champion of the fix, the ringleader who blames his co-conspirators, the guy who even fucked Sheryl Crow and man would I love to know what she’s thinking right now.
Apparently Lance has a book and movie deal in place so his landing is not too harsh.
D – there was a story on NPR here the other day and a comment made (and i paraphrase here as i’m searching for a link to it) that in 2006 there was/may have been a cover up by UCI for him (sorry – i didn’t watch the interview so if i repeat…) – my point is in agreement, there is definitely more to this.
I’m referring to all of the American athletes. We have a sick obsession with winning at all costs. How many of them went to prison? Too many. I absolutely adored Lance Armstrong, and still do.
Lance Armstrong is emblematic of everything that is wrong with our society. I could make an endless list of examples, but he is an example of glamor at its most toxic…except maybe for glamorizing war.
It’s the appearance that counts, not the reality. You win at any cost, legal or not, and you’re still a champion because you won the game of cheating.
My sense is the Lance Armstrong issue is meant to show us the extent of the deception we are living with on so many levels. We need to question those in “power” whether it be our politicians or our celebrities who has great influence over our lives. Lance is the lense through which we have now gained access to greater information. It is up to us to use it or go back to sleep. And magical thinking will not do the trick.
Eric, I’ll see if I can do some research on this.
Patty, I’m not sure what to make of your comment or who you are referring to when you say “sick”. I am an athlete and cyclist. Any athlete I admire, I do so based on their superior training and race ethic. I never worshiped Lance and I would never want him to blow his brains out either. That’s not a fair statement to make. It’s one thing to dope and win, even a few races. This man based his entire comeback on his cancer story, his foundation, his mission, his image. He alone allowed himself to be put on that pedestal. His lies and delusion affected an entire generation of professional/amateur cyclists and athletes, not to mention cancer patients.
Marco Pantani is a very sad story. But there are so many forgotten cyclists we don’t hear about, and so many of them were clean fighting for a clean sport – lost under those megalomaniacs who lied to the very people who revered them. That is the sick part.
Daniel, for Lance I would prefer to have a birth time. I can work without one, but this is as you say a pretty serious case, and he’s still a living person. I wonder what chart — any chart — we have that has a trustworthy time, such as his first Tour de France victory. You could help the process (as could anyone here) by helping find dependable data on any one event….or more than one….the time he won, to give one example. Thank you.
Sorry, that’s not entirely accurate, he died from ‘acute cocaine poisoning’.
I guess you will all be happy when he blows his brains out? Looks like a ‘too big to fail’ situation to me. In fact, isn’t that what we expect from all of our athletes, then go berserk when they get caught? sick.
Eric, I’d be really interested in seeing you do an article on Lance. Particularly his relationship to the National Cancer Institute, gov’t angles, his foundation, and the Union Cycliste Internationale. Since he was doping so crazy, why was he never caught? Yes, certain tests didn’t exist in the earlier tests of his but there is more I think. This to me is one of the most serious crimes I have ever seen. You can lie to people, build anything on that lie and maintain it with a lot of good PR, image and ego – but for this level of scandal you need help. A lot of help. This was reinforced delusion, the kind that we see from corporations who stick together and use our emotions against us, for their gain.
Jen, you are the tops! Made me roar…
ya, ego may slap him 5 steps back without a check on that fix.
‘Ceptin’ he’s bein’ sued. So how long he will be able to keep aholt of it all will be the question…I think the wax on his wings is melting.
well, he’s got a fixie, and a few mill stashed so really, he’s 5 steps ahead as usual.
I tried posting this article yesterday but it kept bumping me out. Here’s a paragraph and the full article can be found on Bicycling dot com. It’s a very good minute read.
“Lance has always had a lot of control, power, and influence. During the investigations he lost much of that control as he scrambled around trying to figure out what was happening. He lost his power and influence once the USADA report came out. As only Lance is capable of, I feel he is now back in control. Lance waited until all the governing bodies had made their decisions regarding his sanctions and then he chose his next step. He waited for some time to pass and picked the time, place, and forum to come out publicly with his admission. Now he holds more information than everyone put together and his risk of falling from grace is removed. If anyone had something on Lance Armstrong to keep him quiet it’s worthless now. Lance has control now because he can decide what, when, and how to reveal information regarding his racing days and the doping that took place. Ultimately he can decide who he takes down with him.
In my eyes that makes him just as dangerous as before.” – F Andreu
One quality of our society is we love the whole redemption thing, with or without remorse. Hey without remorse you’re that much more of the douche bag everyone can look up to because no matter what happened you won the game, with your million dollar deal. You cheated and got busted and hey you still won the game. We have no reason to think that Lance will be anyone but Lance, champion of the fix, the ringleader who blames his co-conspirators, the guy who even fucked Sheryl Crow and man would I love to know what she’s thinking right now.
Apparently Lance has a book and movie deal in place so his landing is not too harsh.
D – there was a story on NPR here the other day and a comment made (and i paraphrase here as i’m searching for a link to it) that in 2006 there was/may have been a cover up by UCI for him (sorry – i didn’t watch the interview so if i repeat…) – my point is in agreement, there is definitely more to this.
found this in the process tho, kinda interesting…
http://www.npr.org/2013/01/17/169621321/lance-armstrong-tragic-hero-not-exactly
I’m referring to all of the American athletes. We have a sick obsession with winning at all costs. How many of them went to prison? Too many. I absolutely adored Lance Armstrong, and still do.
Lance Armstrong is emblematic of everything that is wrong with our society. I could make an endless list of examples, but he is an example of glamor at its most toxic…except maybe for glamorizing war.
It’s the appearance that counts, not the reality. You win at any cost, legal or not, and you’re still a champion because you won the game of cheating.
My sense is the Lance Armstrong issue is meant to show us the extent of the deception we are living with on so many levels. We need to question those in “power” whether it be our politicians or our celebrities who has great influence over our lives. Lance is the lense through which we have now gained access to greater information. It is up to us to use it or go back to sleep. And magical thinking will not do the trick.
Eric, I’ll see if I can do some research on this.
Patty, I’m not sure what to make of your comment or who you are referring to when you say “sick”. I am an athlete and cyclist. Any athlete I admire, I do so based on their superior training and race ethic. I never worshiped Lance and I would never want him to blow his brains out either. That’s not a fair statement to make. It’s one thing to dope and win, even a few races. This man based his entire comeback on his cancer story, his foundation, his mission, his image. He alone allowed himself to be put on that pedestal. His lies and delusion affected an entire generation of professional/amateur cyclists and athletes, not to mention cancer patients.
Marco Pantani is a very sad story. But there are so many forgotten cyclists we don’t hear about, and so many of them were clean fighting for a clean sport – lost under those megalomaniacs who lied to the very people who revered them. That is the sick part.
Daniel, for Lance I would prefer to have a birth time. I can work without one, but this is as you say a pretty serious case, and he’s still a living person. I wonder what chart — any chart — we have that has a trustworthy time, such as his first Tour de France victory. You could help the process (as could anyone here) by helping find dependable data on any one event….or more than one….the time he won, to give one example. Thank you.
Sorry, that’s not entirely accurate, he died from ‘acute cocaine poisoning’.
Wonder if you guys know the Italian cycling champion Marco Pantani – whose career was destroyed by doping allegations, and he ended up taking his life.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/3489569.stm
I guess you will all be happy when he blows his brains out? Looks like a ‘too big to fail’ situation to me. In fact, isn’t that what we expect from all of our athletes, then go berserk when they get caught? sick.
Eric, I’d be really interested in seeing you do an article on Lance. Particularly his relationship to the National Cancer Institute, gov’t angles, his foundation, and the Union Cycliste Internationale. Since he was doping so crazy, why was he never caught? Yes, certain tests didn’t exist in the earlier tests of his but there is more I think. This to me is one of the most serious crimes I have ever seen. You can lie to people, build anything on that lie and maintain it with a lot of good PR, image and ego – but for this level of scandal you need help. A lot of help. This was reinforced delusion, the kind that we see from corporations who stick together and use our emotions against us, for their gain.
Jen, you are the tops! Made me roar…
ya, ego may slap him 5 steps back without a check on that fix.
‘Ceptin’ he’s bein’ sued. So how long he will be able to keep aholt of it all will be the question…I think the wax on his wings is melting.
well, he’s got a fixie, and a few mill stashed so really, he’s 5 steps ahead as usual.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNCPEzdZs5s