Finally, a real discussion can begin

4 Responses to Finally, a real discussion can begin

1. susyc says:

   August 4, 2011 at 3:14 pm

   Marguerite, I love your comment about denial. We’ve been frozen in it for years, so I’m glad the group that produced this movie have kept up chipping away at it. I always knew we were being jerked around after 9/11. I particularly resented the direction our country took afterwards because it involved my son, a service person in the army, and on his behalf, his fellow service people. It’s my belief that we had all the information we needed at the time to choose a different response, but very few were willing to go there. Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame, a few others. It took me years to begin to process my own feelings. I posted this response quite a few months ago on one of PlanetWaves blogger’s articles; I’m pretty sure it was one of Judith Gayle’s. I finally read it out loud in a poetry group last week for the first time.

   Dearest Spirit of Truth
   I feel like I used to feel
   when I realized that
   ‘all is not what it seems,’
   The story I created in my mind to
   escape the unbearable facts
   of my childhood.

   Spirit of truth speak to me.
   Is it true?
   Were we attacked by
   ourselves at 9/11?
   Was it an inside job?

   I used to joke that
   the pentagon was
   the high seat of Satanism
   in the US.
   Otherwise, why the shape
   of a pentagon?
   A pentagram fits
   perfectly inside.

   What a joke.
   I can hear God laughing.

   So speak to me
   Spirit of Truth.
   Was it an inside job?

   Alright, let’s talk about it,
   spirit replies.
   You feel it in your gut.
   You have detected
   the stinking thread
   of corruption that connects 9/11
   to what has come after.
   And it does smell of sulfur,
   the stink of fire and brimstone
   escaping from the gates of hell.

   And don’t they fit the pattern,
   Cheney and Bush;
   An evil personality
   taking a weaker personality
   hostage?

   M. Scott Peck knew what he was talking about.

   True or not, 9/11 has been used
   to create as much evil
   as if it had been
   caused for that very purpose.

   Which of course, it was.

   So now, here are some questions for you
   asked in the spirit of truth.
   Why do you want to know? Why do you want the truth?

   I don’t want to live inside a lie again.
   Been there, done that
   with Dad and Mom.
   How interesting the connection there,
   the parental role, parental abuse, parental lies
   and my country
   viewed in its parental role.

   What can you do with it? What can you do with the truth?

   For myself I can grieve it.
   I can have something to pin
   these feelings to,
   this anger and pain
   I carry about the misuse
   of my son’s service.

   How will knowing the truth help you?

   If we all know the truth,
   I won’t feel so alone.
   I won’t feel the way
   I used to feel,
   carrying the family secrets
   with no one to talk to.

   What do you think will happen if the truth comes out?

   Healing, my own and others;
   forgiveness even.

   Truth, you have always
   cleared the way for
   healing and forgiveness in me.
   How can it be so different
   at the macro, the national level?
   Those people, those poor people.
   Victims of fear and greed.
   Their families.

   And what if it doesn’t?

   Denial. I don’t approve of denial
   as a lifestyle choice.
   A temporary mechanism
   to lift us over a rough spot, OK.
   But not a lifelong choice.
   It’s unhealthy.
   More and more unhealthy
   behaviors develop to maintain the denial.

   How much of what happened
   after 9/11 developed to maintain denial?
   We’re surrounded by it.
   Climate change denial,
   overpopulation denial,
   it goes on and on.

   All I know is that this hurts.
   I struggle to find a way to live with it.

   Maybe I’m the terrible one.
   I know terrible things happened in the past
   and I kept my head down.
   Reagan and Iran contra and who knows what.

   My government has done so much harm
   in other countries for greed, for coercion.
   How silly to think it wouldn’t turn on us.

   So Spirit of Truth, any other questions?

   Yes, two. Who will you choose to be
   in the face of not knowing,
   not seeing the truth come out in your lifetime?
   Who will you be if it does?

   I hope to be a faithful person.
   I hope to find a way to continue
   to believe in love no matter what.
   I hope that love removes all
   that is not love from me
   so that love can clearly shine through me.
   I ask all this in the spirit of truth
   and without reservation.
2. Marguerite says:

   August 4, 2011 at 12:43 pm

   I am grateful that this documentary can be released and seen by an audience at all—a horoscope drawn for the moment of the first crash into a tower, 12:45 pm UT in Manhatten, makes a clear statement about the depth of the lies and deception surrounding this incident:
   -Mercury in Libra just inside the twelfth house of karma, secret activities and bondage, in trine to Saturn in dualisitic Gemini and the ninth house of government institutions. Saturn rules the fourth house of domestic real estate and home base.
   -The Moon is void-of-course in the late degrees of two-faced Gemini in the ninth house.
   -Neptune (deception, fraud,) is in the fourth house of domestic real estate and home base, only in sesquiquad to the chart Sun (ruling leadership) in Virgo and the twelfth house; otherwise in free-fall and idealistic Aquarius, ready to believe anything it is told.
   -The majority of planitary action at this time is in the chart’s third and ninth houses, those dealing with ethics, truth and lies as propagated within conditioned social structures.
   -Venus, dispositer of Mercury is also ruler of the chart’s eighth house of death, power, control and Big Money; it is in the eleventh house of community affairs, in applying opposition to Uranus indicating a speculative venture involving death by sudden, violent means, as is also echoed by the Mars in Capricorn and the third house of transportation and communication. The Mars is essentially unaspected except for a conjunciton with the South Node of the Moon, indicating the use of established methods via violence, in order to manipulate an agenda to direct or keep established power and authority (Capricorn, the South Node). I just hope we can finally get passed what seems to be an extreme desire to stay in denial.
3. Jere says:

   August 3, 2011 at 8:44 pm

   Dude, people are lying their asses off cause they’re fucked. All this shit just eats fuck.

   Would we even care.. oh wait.. would shit like this even happen if we gave a fuck about eachother?

   NO! and I’m fucking tired of the B.S..

   (I’m about ready to just play music, and let this world burn.)

   Jere
4. susyc says:

   August 3, 2011 at 4:23 pm

   Also see The 11th Day: The Full Story if 9/11 and Osama bin Ladin co-written by Anthony Summers as seen on MSNBC’s Martin Bashir’s show focusing on the Saudi’s role.