Video 2: How do you make an earthquake?

In a recent edition of Planet Waves, I explained to my subscribers that, based on 10 years of astrological research, I could safely propose that the quake in Japan on March 11 was a manmade event of some kind. Here is a quote, from the article called “Here at the Edge of the World.”

So, I started asking around. I asked a friend who is an engineer if you can make an earthquake. He sent back a number of references, the most interesting of which was a quote from Bill Clinton’s secretary of defense, a guy named William S. Cohen, during a news briefing. The quote comes from the Department of Defense transcript of that briefing.

He said he had read about the prospect of “some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic-specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.”

Now, I’ve always had problems visualizing how this was possible, though I understand that it is — and it helped a lot to have that on the word of someone so knowledgeable as William Cohen, quoted on the U.S. Government’s own website. Then last night, a reader sent me the video you see above. It’s a March 20, 2011 interview with Leuren Moret. She explains how this earthquake machine works. It’s directly related to chemtrails, in case you were every wondering what those things were. She does not present documents — only a cohesive description. It is worth watching the whole thing — much of the best information is at the end.

I am not an expert on these issues, only an observer. To me she sounds credible. I want to hear your opinion, and if you have some knowledge of these subjects, please chime in.

Eric Francis

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28 Responses to Video 2: How do you make an earthquake?

  1. gwind says:

    If this is a dream we are all living, why are we so dismissive when the dream gets a little wild?

    I enjoyed the interview. Nothing that was said surprises me in the least.

    I had a sleeping dream once. Alien crafts were flying over head. People trusted the beings, but I thought something was off, and I didn’t. They could track people with a beam, linking into their random thoughts. In that moment as the ship came over me, I thought: “Think of flowers. They cannot hook on/track you when you think of flowers.”

    Probably my most brilliant moment; a true leap in learning. Words that I can only hope to live up to every single day. I forget so often.

  2. mystes says:

    Rob44 wrote: “The old gods haven’t been completely replaced by anonymous archons in secret bunkers. They live on, and they move in mysterious and sometimes deadly ways. We should remember them and recognize their dance. Because ultimately this is their ballroom, not homo sapiens’.”

    ExACTly.

    Next step in the dance: To find and let that language speak you. Ants we may be, but soft! there is one of us for each of us, and brachiatively we constitute a sapient fractal on an entirely different scale (see aforementioned gods for more information).

  3. Rob44 says:

    @ Eric: “The term ‘conspiracy theorist’ is always designed to be discrediting, particularly in a world where anything and everything requires a conspiracy.”

    1. In which world does anything and everything require a conspiracy, in the purest sense of that word? I’m unsure what you mean by this.

    2. Yes, the term ‘conspiracy theorist’ is discrediting–sometimes appropriately so. Consider the more colorful Tea Party views of President Obama’s origins and intentions. Socialist/Fascist/Muslim takeover of America, anyone?

    Speaking for myself, I would not be using that phrase on this forum to discredit you personally. I am responding to your invitation to discuss certain of these ideas themselves–some of which I would discredit based on the questionable reliability of the sources cited, seeming cherry-picking of available scientific data, and what strikes me as a rather hefty disregard for earth science itself.

    3. Is astrology alone enough to validate the thesis of man-made earthquakes? A similar approach seemed to forebode much darkness around the 2008 Democratic National Convention in Colorado, for instance:

    http://www.chronogram.com/issue/2008/9/Horoscopes/Obama-and-the-Galactic-Leap

    Maybe the chart interpretations for that gathering weren’t meant to be event-specific so much as referential to the larger context of the post-convention years. That is, describing the larger influences and agendas involved in a possible Obama presidency within the tableau of a culturally and politically torn nation; his administration’s co-opting by global elites; how all that would play out on the world stage over the ensuing years. Still, I think you can understand how some readers might have read that piece as a warning of more immediate concerns. I did, to some extent. Yet the convention passed without remarkable problems, in the short term at least.

    You’ve stressed many times that astrology should be used less as a predictive tool than a psycho-spiritual lens into unfolding universal patterns, if you’ll pardon my paraphrase. I agree. And while I’m not casting your views on man-made earthquakes and tsunamis as predictive in nature, I do wonder about the margin of error present in any interpretive effort, your formidable astrological skills and talents aside.

    Your background as an investigative journalist shows a dogged reliance on the deeper science behind PCB’s and related toxins, as well as a stubborn dedication to exposing toxic lies, collective denial, wishful thinking, false-flag events, distorted projections and perceptions. And yes, I recognize astrology as both art and science, and your commitment to cut through illusion in their service. Yet in the end so much still lies in the interpretation of data, laboratory or zodiacal.

    For the record, I don’t wholly discount the idea that technologies may exist to perpetrate such crimes as described–if not in the ways described. And there’s no doubt in my mind that decades of oil and mineral extraction methods affect what would otherwise be natural processes on a large scale. God knows what draining the Oglalala Reservoir has done, much less China’s Three Gorges Dam project, or decades of underground/water nuclear testing. That’s not even touching on anthropomorphic climate change. And yes, there are powerful, secretive forces of greed who wreak havoc on this planet, playing with the fates of nations and populations like so many toys on a global playing board. No argument with the last scenario whatsoever. But when examining theories and worldviews with respect to hidden agendas of powerful elites, I also ask myself–does this perspective leave me feeling more or less empowered? And whom does that perspective ultimately serve?

    In this case I tend to hew to what Brendan and others have said here. And per my earlier comment below, I truly think we do a disservice to the earth herself if we overlook her own evolutionary process as a factor in what’s unfolding today. She is a living, conscious being, struggling to breathe in the tide of waste we’re constantly spewing into every aspect of her being. Not everything is directly related to the agendas of the worst among our kind. Though disasters can be caused and exploited by dark interests, sometimes earth does what she does for her own reasons. She has a destiny measured by the cogs of stars in the clocks of galaxies, within a universal story we in our short-lived human aspects will never fully comprehend.

    At some level, we’re still ants–powerfully creative and destructive ants, but ants nonetheless, in the context of geologic time. Climbing a mountain alone in a scorched desert that was once a tropical ocean has reminded me of that. The old gods haven’t been completely replaced by anonymous archons in secret bunkers. They live on, and they move in mysterious and sometimes deadly ways. We should remember them and recognize their dance. Because ultimately this is their ballroom, not homo sapiens’.

  4. Eric Francis Eric Francis says:

    The term ‘conspiracy theorist’ is always designed to be discrediting, particularly in a world where anything and everything requires a conspiracy. In actual fact all of these devices have existed for a long time, and the will to use them has been demonstrated by the use of other, equally lethal weapons. For me this video merely fills in a few of the blanks — on “star wars” (the perfect ruse), on chemtrails (atmosphere as electrical plasma), on space-based weapons (old story, now we see where it fits), etc. I don’t consider it enough to build a story on, but I consider it enough to point to what to look for and what to ask about.

    I came to my own determination that this earthquake was created by human intervention strictly through the astrology. It took 10 years. I explain this in the article Here at the Edge of the World.

  5. michele michele says:

    ps: apologies for typos. fuck i hate that. now i feel ranty.

  6. michele michele says:

    Huh. I think the term “conspiracy theory” gets bandied about a little too loosely.

    For example: If an international company sends a prestitious and secretive “change management cunsulting firm” to what is considered a small local company to reasearch the local “climate” my ears perked. (And this was not common knowledge. I met one of the guys sent over by London and we both drilled each other for info. Turns out we both told each other too much. Meh. It was a bar.) Said local company later begins “change management.” Planning was done prior to the economic downturn. Change management started before the economic downturn. The internatonal company simultaneouly re-branded all its wholly owned and partially owned companies across the world. I reasearched every speach given by local presidents of these companies. All the same, with a sweet local spin. I added up the facts and I handed them over to my boss. I say: You are know longer dealing with “x” and the people you know. You are dealing with “A.” (I was using the name “A” before “x” even got rebranded. My boss laughed at me every time.) And they will try to shut us down. Oh no, he says. That can’t be. You’re one of those conspiracy theorists. So jocular. He wasn’t so jocular when they tried to get him fired. And he wasn’t so jocular when we lost the financial arbitration.

    Anyway. The story goes on. And it’s sorta sad. It’s been two long years of fighting. And the company has done a very good job at eroding the enviromental watchdog.

    Conspiracy theory? Hardly. Strategy. On one side: big money, sophisticated heads, long-term strategy. On the other side: few resources, and stubborn belief in cooperation, what’s right will come to pass and the “spirit of the agreement.” No fucking strategy.

    The big fail in this community? Not realizing that the company that had sold itself as local had in fact always been international. Some saw it, back in the day, in the 90s. (I spent two days in government archives.) But they were declared extremists, environmentalists (you know, that old pejorative term) and conspiracy theorists.

    A while ago, I reminded my boss about what I had told him. His response? You think I’m stupid? I knew all that. Are you trying to say you knew all this would happen?

    Oh. No. Whatever. Well. Yes. I’m trying to say you didn’t use any of it. You didn’t have a strategy.

    (One of the things I told the big shot change guy was: do not underestimate the Aboriginal communities. Well. Yeah. Of course they did.)

    So for now there is a weird sort of balance.

    I’m not sure if my story made sense. But, in sum, I’m all for love and the intelligence of the universe and that big picture. I do yoga. I meditate. I connect with the earth. I have the oddest dreams and I try to listen to them. I share my love every minute that I am able. And I do that more and more. But I’m also for facts and research and keeping my eye out for the other big pictures. (And there are more than a few of them.) I also do that more and more. But unless we share stories and ideas and perspectives… Well, I might as well go hide out under my bed.

    There. I hope that wasn’t an attack. I don’t feel very ranty and agressive. I just don’t think “conspiracy theory” is useful in our language anymore.

  7. eco11 says:

    Amanda,
    Thanks. As soon as I saw it come up scrambled, I thought, well, there’s no way to go back and fix it for me from here. So thanks! I appreciate your help.

  8. Jere says:

    Tdh712, I’ll admit I haven’t even watched the vid.. I can probably figure it all out through osmosis. But seriously man, with war and destruction being such big business, why is it so hard to fathom? I mean shit!, when I was a teenager I seriously thought about making a nuke to throw on the San Andreas fault, in order to get most of California to slip into the Pacific while fucking a ton of shit up! (Then I ran into a Vietnamese monk who said that wasn’t cool, and I was compelled to agree).

    ..Grain of salt,.. little bit of lime.. EVERYTHING,.. for your eyes only. Todays science fiction and tomorrows science fact.. but, denial is as dangerous as belief!!

    Your open brother,

    Jere

  9. Brendan says:

    This was a little hard to take. I’m not doubting anyone who says that nuclear power plants and nuclear power are inherently dangerous and should not be located on fault lines, but chemtrails and HAARP being responsible for earthquakes? Hmmmm…my dander rose up in protest.

    I know something of HAARP, I know how it works, and I’ve even heard it on the radio. It is a very large, sophisticated radio station that can send beams of radio frequency energy anywhere within the visible horizon at Gakona, Alaska. That is, you can point the beam from a few degrees above the horizon to straight up and everywhere in between, around the compass. It is a non-ionizing source of radiation, much like any other radio transmitter ever made going back to Tesla and Marconi. It is incredibly powerful, using some 90 transmitters with 180 separate antenna elements to create an effective possible transmit power of 5.1 Gigawatts. That is a theoretical power only, based on the design parameters, and it is never used at that level.

    This is not the most powerful transmitter/antenna array ever built however. That was a Soviet array, built near Kiev in the early 80′s that punched holes in the ionosphere. What makes HAARP unique is how the beam can be steered, like a radar signal using microwaves, but at much lower and less harmful frequencies. All radio emissions from an antenna can hurt you – there is no question about that – but the frequency can also determine just how badly you are hurt in the first place. Microwaves will cook you, shortwaves (3 to 30 Megahertz) will as well, but they’ll take a lot longer to do it (you pretty much have to be holding the antenna too). HAARP operates between 2.7 and 10 Megahertz, which most any commercially available shortwave radio will receive. The times I have heard HAARP it has been extremely difficult to hear, and one of those times they were deliberately beaming their signal so that it could be heard by amateur radio operators and shortwave radio fans.

    Ms. Moret went on at length about how HAARP was using chemtrails in the troposphere to ‘mirror’ it’s beam back at earth to cause the earthquakes. Nope, not gonna happen using HAARP. Shortwaves work in the ionosphere, which begins at 50 miles up and goes up for over another 300 miles above the earth. The troposphere, where aircraft fly, only goes up 8 miles. Shortwave passes through the troposphere with no effect on either the radio signal itself or the troposphere. At the ionospheric level however, shortwave will reflect back down towards the earth, allowing the signal to be heard at great distances. This was first confirmed in the 1920′s, with the ionosphere actually being described in physics literature in 1902. The ionosphere only works because of solar heating and the solar wind, which causes a daily shifting in the layers and the need to change frequency every few hours for a given shortwave station. It is also why shortwave radio can be devastated by either too much solar activity or a lack of it.

    Ms. Moret also said there were 19 HAARP sites around the world. Where are they? Inquiring minds want to know, and with Google Earth I’d look at them for myself. There are lots of transmitter sites around the world that are large, but none of them are ‘another’ HAARP site. Incidentally, HAARP stands for High frequency Active Auroral Research Program, and it was put in Alaska because that’s where the aurora are. Wouldn’t work at all the same if it was down here in the lower 48. In regards to doing other research with it, yes of course, but it is all radio/atmospheric/particle physics related. You can’t move rock or fault lines with shortwave signals, but you can start revolutions with it.

    Moving on, I have never found anything remotely convincing about the existence of chemtrails. The funny thing is, they have only been a big thing for about 15 years or so. In that time, commercial air traffic has increased by about a factor of 3, meaning many more airplanes in the sky. Another factor is that jet fuel is no longer cheap: flying at higher, colder altitudes allows the pilot to use less fuel, ergo more flights are at altitudes that are more likely to result in contrails. One last thing: flights are routed far more widely over the landscape now than they used to be. Back during the Cold War, western airlines were not allowed to fly over the Soviet Union or China at all, unless they were flying to permitted airports. Now, anything goes: a flight from London to Bejing will probably take the polar route, dropping down over Siberia on its’ way to landing. More flights, more contrails: simple, really.

    As for my background in trying to sound so persuasive, I have been a radio nut for 40 years now. I started as a kid listening to strange stuff on shortwave, worked as a radioman in the Coast Guard, and still enjoy it as a major hobby. As for aircraft, I’ve been a fan from early childhood, reading my dad’s aircraft books from WW2, and watching the planes in the skies above me. I’m no pilot, but I am an enthusiast and understand much of the technology, history, and science of flight.

    Sorry for the long, strong desert wind but I truly dislike crazy, and when you mix that much crazy, it’s well, crazy.

  10. Amanda Painter Amanda Painter says:

    eco11 –
    that was me sorting out DT below. glad you didn’t mind — i felt a little weird doing it.
    :)

  11. tdh712 says:

    I want to just point out a couple of things and then I will stop:
    this woman talks about how in 2004 she traveled throughout Japan telling people that something like this was going to happen, noting that big earthquakes occur there regularly. So, these many years later, it happened — no surprise to anyone who knows about the Ring of Fire and the frequency of big quakes that a nuclear disaster follows. I think the fact that she so ardently predicted this weakens her argument about the conspiracy.
    And then I have this observation — I find the idea that Japan could be decimated, that the culture in that place could disappear right before out eyes stunning, and I mean stunning. Is it genocide if that happens? — well, I guess, although many Japanese will survive, but this idea of making some person or group of people responsible for what I believe is a natural disaster compounded incomprehensibly by human stupidity is the result of an overactive, stressed imagination.
    Again, I’m not saying some conspiracy theories aren’t compelling — I’m saying that this one does not resonate in me as being true at all.

  12. tdh712 says:

    I simply don’t believe this. I’m tired of conspiracy theories, not that some of them aren’t compelling, but there’s big, huge business in conspiracy hawking, too.
    This woman has nothing to substantiate what she is saying, it’s all hearsay and conjecture. You know, some people believe that this is divine retribution. Others are probably saying it’s the work of some devil.
    I didn’t watch the whole thing. She makes great points about the utter stupidity of building nuclear power plants anywhere in Japan. I have always loved Japanese culture, there is so much beauty in it, such appreciation of beauty. But right now I’m thinking, jeez, how could the Japanese so dense — on that little island — Then I look at where the US has placed many of its nuclear power plants — on fault lines.
    Listen, so many people ascribe superhuman abilities and mega villainous powers to invisible cartels and secret groups that “rule the world”. But, realistically humans are quite dense and we have no control, really, over anything. Time and again we prove that while we think we have it all figured out, whatever it is turns into a huge mess, or worse, catastrophe. The best laid plans…
    There is a much higher power than any of us will ever understand or that science will ever figure out. The universe is highly intelligent. We cannot grasp this with our minds. I think this conspiracy theory is surprising and way off the mark.

  13. eco11 says:

    I know this wonderful man who is a natural leader in that he doesn’t “take” sides as a leader. When he is leading, he mediates all the voices,, helps others to hear each other.
    It calms the arena.

    Some of us are so impassioned that we cannot hear beyond our own convictions. But the dialogue is the elegance of a democracy (as well, as problematic).

    It is all too more common for others to name others as quacks or bigots or liberals or conservatives. I hated the way Anita Hill was made to look like a crazy and she was just about the most rational being in that hearing.Just imagine, I thought, if she was an artist.

    It’s because we have been lied to that we distrust authority. It’s hard -even wrong- to just stay in line.
    But that distrust does not necessarily mean that all authority is the enemy. It just means that we need to really have any trust we give be an earned trust.

    Personally, whenever I hear: “Trust me.” (blindly or on my authority) or “Let me do you a favor…” I think Ooh yeah. My BS meter pops up red and the alarms go off.

  14. michele michele says:

    @ rob44. ah thanks for bringing the earth back in. i think my little twelfth house sun was on a fieeeeeeeeld trip. you’re so right. balance balance balance.

  15. Rob44 says:

    The earth is capable of doing all sorts of things without being manipulated by humans. The fact that we are having a huge effect on its dance nowadays doesn’t negate this truth.

    We need to practice discernment now more than ever. Consider the sources. Listen to one’s internal responses. Apply our intelligence and our intuition. Yes to all that. But please, let’s not ascribe vast conspiracies to planetary movement. We live on a conscious sphere that’s in the process of its own growth, shifts, and renewals. And which is in the process of shrugging off some of its bipedal denizens. I think there’s as much hubris in believing secret cabals of humans are causing earthquakes as there is in believing humans aren’t causing global warming. Tune into the earth for the messages inherent in events like those referenced. It has a language, and a purpose. Please don’t ignore it in favor of assuming its all about our power plays, covert or not.

  16. eco11 says:

    Eric Francis wrote:

    “Her generalities about the banks profiting might be annoying unless you happen to know that in any war or disaster it IS the banks that profit and that is one of the key issues of our day, and one that we understand the least. We still think of the bank as the place to open a checking account, not as a thing that finances genocide.”

    With the synchronicity of this sentiment, last night, a riveting movie that really gets into that and shows that theme aired on television:
    The International.
    It’s not just drama. It’s unnerving.

    (Eric: Thanks for sorting out the intro from the Dylan Thomas poem below. I had no way to go back and fix it myself and was grateful for your assist.)

    -eco11

  17. michele michele says:

    I woke up from a dream this morning wherein I witnessed a serial killer hacking people to bits slowly. A chunk here, a chunk there, over a long period of time. I was next. (Not because I was a witness. Just because I was next on the list.) He approached me with his gardening implement. A huge pruning thing. I remember thinking that was an odd way to slowly take a bunch of people out. The sharp little blade was on my skin. I asked myself if this was one of those dreams I really had to experience something firsthand and I decided that no, I really couldn’t see the benefit of slowly being hacked to bits.

    I found myself in a different location, disturbed by the fact that I had morphed there instead of walking there. I was not really happy with myself about this because I really thought that demonstrated fear. I woke up. While I was stumbling about in a daze making coffee and still feeling that sharp blade on my ankle and thinking about why I was on his list, I started thinking it really wasn’t about why I was on his list but why he’d have that list at all. In hindsight, I should have tried switching places with him.

    That’s when I popped open the laptop and got to these questions. Why?

    Certainly with my dream serial killer I could feel his hunger. It was palpable. He was feeding something. He felt very powerful and he was enjoying feeling powerful. Also a vacuum feeling. Like he was sucking in the energy around him. A vortex of darkness. I remember hazy little bits when I tried talking to him and realizing there was no talking to be done.

    So. Power. And the acquiring, controlling and using the tools and symbols of power as they have been created in our time. Trying to quench an inherent feeling of powerlessness. But going about it in a way that doesn’t account for other people, present or future. That doesn’t take into account that the destruction of the garden ends ultimately in self-destruction. Filling the vacuum from the outside never fills the vacuum. But maybe if we DO manage to fill the spaces all around us with love, and that’s what gets vacuumed up…

    Lost in a stew-pot of metaphors. And not very geopolitical. However, I don’t imagine that tyrants and earthquake-makers are much different than my dream serial killer.

  18. Eric Francis Eric Francis says:

    This kind of crap “makes more sense” once you’ve visited a few concentration camps. A death factory? A gynecological torture ward? Why would people do this kind of thing? Well, we have to start from the fact that they did, and work our way back to the motive.

  19. Eric Francis Eric Francis says:

    The generalization about the animals was annoying. I am certain that what she is saying is true in general but there are always exceptions to a trend.

    As a public speaker I am more forgiving of an error like a common name — at least twice per podcast I will reverse the name of a planet (say Saturn instead of Jupiter) or an aspect (New Moon in lieu of Full Moon). If you’re speaking a lot, these things happen. Mental fatigue sets in. Speaking on one’s feet, there are always going to be minor errors; I am looking for whether the whole presentation hangs together, and what major issues are left unresolved.

    In a presentation like this the speaker is going from one level to another; from the level of being totally immersed in the subject matter to explaining it to someone who has never heard of the issue. Try that some time. The step-down process is an art form of its own, and it can get tricky. At a certain point one must speak in generalities. Her generalities about the banks profiting might be annoying unless you happen to know that in any war or disaster it IS the banks that profit and that is one of the key issues of our day, and one that we understand the least. We still think of the bank as the place to open a checking account, not as a thing that finances genocide.

    And, if this is true, it is about genocide — and this is something that seems to follow around humanity like a ghost, from epoch to epoch.

    Next is the issue of the motive. This is a discussion in itself. There are a lot of reasons to do these things, on a planet that is gradually becoming engulfed in war. Who would steer a Cat 5 hurricane into the Gulf Coast? Who would bomb Iraq for seven years, or Afghanistan for a decade? Who would turn loose a plague jar? Who would drop A-bombs on population centers? Who would contaminate the world with dioxin? When I’ve got the documents in my hands, that is a question I have to ask — why? How is this possible for a human to conceive and do? Generally the answer comes back to power and profits.

    To understand the geopolitical motives one must understand geopolitics, and to understand tyranny one must understand tyrants.

    Consider this, from my mid-90s article Conspiracy of Silence in Sierra magazine. Just to be clear, and it seems even more astonishing to day than it did when I wrote it, Monsanto and other elecrical manufacturers were putting some of the most toxic chemicals known to science — PCBs and dioxins — into the coils of deep fryers, about .5mm from things people eat. One little crack and hundreds or thousands of people could be given lethal doses of these chemicals. Then after they had such an incident, the company announced plans to increase sales of THAT product 20-fold.

    There was also plenty of evidence by this time that PCBs were “highly toxic.” The first known mass food-poisoning by PCBs occurred in Japan in February 1968, when PCB fluid leaked into a batch of rice-bran oil, or yusho. More than 1,600 people were initially exposed, with many showing immediate symptoms including severe chloracne, respiratory ailments, and failing vision. It was from the “Yusho Incident” that scientists would soon document birth defects, low birth weights, and numerous other chronic effects from PCB exposure. Nine years after the Yusho Incident, there was a sixfold increase in liver-cancer deaths among affected men and threefold among women.

    Despite international attention to the Yusho Incident, just two months later Monsanto’s corporate-development committee set a four-year goal of increasing by 20 times its sales of Therminol heat-transfer fluid – essentially the same PCB product that poisoned the Japanese victims. In the United States, Therminol was used as a heating medium inside the coils of deep-fat fryers.

    In 1969, while publicly denying the problems linked to PCBs, Monsanto privately acknowledged them in its internal “Pollution Abatement Plan,” which admitted that “the problem involves the entire United States, Canada and sections of Europe, especially the United Kingdom and Sweden…. [O]ther areas of Europe, Asia and Latin America will surely become involved. Evidence of contamination [has] been shown in some of the very remote parts of the world.”

    The Pollution Abatement Plan (really more of a liability abatement plan) proposed three options, with charts showing their potential profits and liabilities. Should Monsanto “Do Nothing,” profits would likely decline and liability extend into the future. “We cannot deny the findings and the accusations of various agencies,” the plan said. “If we took no action we would likely face numerous suits.”

    Under the “Discontinue Manufacture of PCB” option, profits would cease and liability would soar because “we would be admitting guilt by our actions.”

    But with the “Responsible Approach,” which involved acknowledging certain aspects of the problem, tightening restrictions, and continuing to manufacture and sell PCBs, profits theoretically would increase and liability slowly decline, all but vanishing by the mid-1970s. It was this latter approach that Monsanto chose, making some adjustments to its business practices but going to battle with the government to keep PCBs on the market, despite growing scientific evidence that they constituted a public-health menace and an environmental nightmare.

  20. Jere says:

    Greenspirit, that was a brilliant post. I can’t tell you shit, ’cause I don’t know it. All I do know is that these cats are keeping a plethora of information from us.. and I’m slightly pissed about that. I want to grab them by their mandibles and pry until they’re ready to disclose their positions.

    ..and as far as the ‘powers’ that be, these cats are truly looking for the end of the world/armaggedon.. I don’t know why,.. it seems stupid too me but.. some cats are willing to go the distance…

    ..Just find some cool cats around you to hang out with.. age doesn’t matter man, I was 16 hanging out with a 47 year old in my day.. (ex vietnam vet, considered me a son.. coolist taoist I ever met!)

    Love ya,

    Jere

  21. GreenSpirit says:

    I listened. Carefully. Openly.

    I observed:
    - a lot of generalizations.
    - Quite a few incorrect facts/names, for example: for someone supposedly an expert on these recent events she could not get the name of the plant “Fukushima-Daiichi” out correctly. Also some facts given are in conflict with what was documented by photographers and eye-witness accounts( her statement that “no animals died in the Sumatran tsunami” is just false. Plenty did.)
    - A lot of assumptions… or perhaps they are not assumptions if you are someone steeped in this way of thinking.

    So anytime I hear someone who is supposed to be an expert mis-fire on some rather basic known facts and make sweeping grand statements based on unsupported assumptions, my suspicion meter starts to beep. Not to say that what is being discussed here is or is not true… but how can I believe them if they don’t get some of the simple stuff right?

    The idea that some elite group of individuals can steer Cat5 Hurricanes, cause earthquakes, unleash tsunamis etc at will and for their own gains seems a pretty far stretch. They don’t have to go so far as all that to cause mayhem and madness, all they have to do is control certain key features of important governments and military and industrial institutions… which I fully believe is already happening. So for me the question becomes:

    Who benefits? If they use their weapons (regardless of what they are) and kill millions of innocent people, who benefits? Seems to me, there is more profit in war… and keeping people alive but just sick enough so they will work hard to earn money to pay insurance companies and the medical system, funneling more resources into the system, ultimately to the very deep pockets at the end of the trail. Again, this is easy to engineer already without learning how to tickle the earth so she heaves up.

    If there is just one global elite trying to do the rest of us little people in, just where do they think they are going to go when we are all wiped out? Who will be here to fill their pockets, oil their machinery, grow their food, wash their cars and walk their dogs?

    But if there are TWO global elite powers vying for power, well, then maybe this all makes more sense. But again, what would be the gain for steering a Cat5 hurricane into New Orleans? Clicking some keyboard somewhere and triggering a Mag9 earthquake in a part of Japan that is mostly inhabited by middle class business people and poorer farmers and fishermen? This is not incredibly rich land, this is not a strategically important region. Unless the powers that be in Japan displeased someone somewhere with their hand hovering over a keyboard and needed to be taught a “lesson”…….

    All of this just seems too big, too improbable… and unlikely as a possible reason why the earthquake happened. If there is a global elite waging this kind of madness, then ultimately, their goals will fail because it is not a sustainable way to live… does wiping out humanity and much of the life on earth really serve their vision of “victory”? For a group that supposedly is so powerful and masterful, this seems pretty dumb to me… but then, storing massive quantities of spent nuclear fuel that HAS to remain immersed in water in vulnerable bathtubs 5 stories off the ground on a known fault-line in an area known for it’s tsunamis, well, that’s not a spectacularly brilliant envisioning either.

    As an elderly woman I once knew used to say when trying to figure out the truth of something:

    “Hard tellin’ , not knowin’”

    Since I don’t know, I can tell if this is real or not. But I refuse to live my life in fear. That is the one thing I can do about all this. Live well, practise the Golden rule and be as compassionate as possible towards others and myself. That is about all I can really do and it is a full-time job as it is.

    But I appreciate so much all that you bring to this table, Eric !! and everyone else… always a good read to be had here…. thank you to everyone involved. You keep us thinking and asking questions…. this has to be a good thing!

    Cheers,

  22. Jere says:

    ..I’ll give it a shot, Word. 6 am, friday.. I’m there.. and yeah, it will be out loud. Chants and visualisations.. who whoulda thunk it?

    There’s so much more to this Universe than we humans give it credit for.

    I wish us luck!

    Jere

  23. michele michele says:

    I’ve often wondered at the inordinate amount of espionage-type stuff I read as a very young teenager. My dad was into them all through the 70s and at the time I read anything I could get my hands on. They had a pretty funky library, including books on how to build homes that were energy efficient, loads of mayan stuff, astrology, economics, rights, education. The seventies were all that and more for me. SO when I read the fiction, even though I knew it was fiction, I always had the impression that some of the stuff at the heart of the story (and there were climate control scenarios) had some basis in fact. Some of these authors (and sorry, can’t remember book titles and author names) were former this and former that at this or that agency. Or were using a pen name.

    Sometimes a news item will come up in these strange years of ours and I remember all too well already having read about it 20-30 years ago. Fiction and fact blur for me and… I wonder wonder at the years between the birth of an idea in someone’s brain and the idea-made-reality… And wonder at who on earth could think this idea in particular was a good idea, one to be pursued at all cost… Very surreal. But very real? For me it feels like an echo.

    Sometimes I would talk about some of these idea, from the fictions, with someone or other and I’d get the big eyes and the little twist at the corner of the lips. And I’d say: But, it’s possible, isn’t it? That this might be happening without out knowledge? The response was always: No. Not possible. Can’t be.

    Because… who WANTS to shake the earth? Who wants to do that???

    I guess I’ll watch the video now. You just reminded me of all those books.

  24. awordedgewise awordedgewise says:

    for those interested here is another spiritual transformation opportunity re: Japan Nuclear situation:

    “April 8th: Transform the nuclear energy crisis”
    “This is a technique to bring the radiation level under control at the Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan.”

    http://www.worldhealingnow.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=71

    posted on World healing Now .org

  25. awordedgewise awordedgewise says:

    eco – thank you for posting your thoughts. “Fragmentation” – that’s a great word; a great idea for me too, to hang my hat upon. I have not listened yet specifically because I did not have a “Hat Peg” – and knew that the truths of what I am about to hear would penetrate my soul and upset it such a way that I would not be sure what I Felt at the end.
    eric, thank you for being who you are aka for posting.

  26. eco11 says:

    Do not go gentle into that good night [A Villanelle]

    Do not go gentle into that good night – Dylan Thomas
    (Dylan Thomas. Funny-looking chap, but chicks dug him.)

    Do not go gentle into that good night,
    Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
    Because their words had forked no lightning they
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
    Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
    And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
    Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    And you, my father, there on the sad height,
    Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Dylan Thomas, 1951 or 1952

  27. Eric Francis Eric Francis says:

    Eco, I am with you — this was one of the challenges of my investigative reporting life. After a while it became easy for me to accept that these banal boring greedy people would do anything; what became much harder for me to accept is the people who willingly give away their power, who allow evil to be done to them, who believe the deception.

  28. eco11 says:

    I listened to this video and found myself fragmenting because I need to believe in the good human, even in the evolving human who isn’t as far as some of the others.

    The concept of such evil as to create disasters on purpose or for experimentation is so huge an assault on my soul, on all souls, on this planet earth, that it is hard to comprehend.

    I do my best to listen to all sides and then wait until both the intellectual gravity of any “evidence” and my internal truth meter have a chance to sort it all out.

    I’m just one little being in this world, but I need to trust my own instincts: something we are not taught to do in this society, but that we all badly need to keep practicing.

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