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That was a bit weird — either some settings changed, or one of our mail servers’ protocols changed; we got today’s issue out by about noon, though I’ll leave this edition available as a sample.
Most public figures, particularly movie stars, understand they are or can be a focal point of sexual fantasies.
If you want an astrological theory, both films and fantasies are 12th house matters. So too are dreams.
A while ago (so I hope I’ve got this right) I read an agony column and a girl wrote in saying that she never had an orgasm with her partner and she loved him but he just didn’t do it for her. And the reply was something like that she should think of whoever did it for her (I think the suggestion was George Clooney as an example), because that would work (I wrote wrok) for her and it was nice for her guy to get one in the back of the net from time to time.
You see I’m not sure about any of that – surely GC getting one in the back of the net, and no good for her either. What about her! Something real for her surely – whether it is leaving or concentrating on making her skill so great and knowing herself so well that she could make something of it and help him to too.
It is complicated…
Thanks Eric and Len – I think too it’s how you treat people, thank you for that. i think instead of foreplay I should have said ‘lovin’up’!
Make that the last Four decades!
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Pam,
I’ve spent a lot of time meditating on the fantasy thing over the past couple of years. I think that most people would not be bugged out if they knew people were having orgasms thinking about them and many would find it hot. However, there are some who would be repulsed (depending on the person) and others are in denial.
However the assumption here is that it’s a ‘mental experience’ that is contained in the fantasizer’s mind and does not involve a boundary issue; however, I’m fully aware of the psychic issue here and so are many other people. In my view having a fantasy of someone is a form of sex, and it may very well be relational; that is, there may be a form of real contact involved.
In some of my fiction and nonfiction I’ve proposed the idea of consensual fantasy agreements: that people who are going to have fantasy sex make a agreement first. Of course that might creep some people out, to be asked; one would need to be pretty erotically and spiritually advanced to grasp that. However when it works, it’s really beautiful. I have some mutual fantasy agreements with a few of the bOb models, where sex is/was not appropriate but the thought and the desire is there; we leave the psychic field open. Several model with the awareness that they are providing an erotic refuge for anyone who sees their images.
I think there is a lot of really beautiful potential in creating this kind of consciousness, amazing erotic freedom, wholly in integrity.
As for whether sharing masturbation face to face is sex — well clearly it’s a form of sex. It is the intimacy involved, not the type of physical contact, that makes it so, in my view.
Hazel – A hearty second to your observations. It is a bit strange how any and/or all of us can get caught up in the conditioned limits of relationship. Why can’t we just be human beings and leave it at that? It would open so many doors.
Pam – (1) Your idea of “if you focus on anyone without their consent” has merit and i have given it some thought myself. However, your conclusion is, for me, a bit hasty. Further rumination may very well lead my feeble mind to the same conclusion as you someday. Still thinking on it, for now anyway. (2) i would encourage you to re-examine your assertion that “the secretary thing is fudging”. Human beings are human beings, we are equal and one-with. Relationships are relationships, the functional dynamics are the same even if the contest is not. To parse out one human being fom another, one type of relationship from another sets up an internal contradiction to your premise that “…we are all one mind?”. As far as mutual masturbation being foreplay – once again good point and (once again) not always.
What’s amazing is how invested we get in our viewpoints – that’s the real clue as to what is going on underneath. We need to ask ourselves, “how do i care what other people do”? or more to the point “how is it important for me to enforce what works for me on to other people?” Why not “live and let live”? Why not “to each their own”?
Eric the fantasy thing – if we are all one mind? That’s the thing that got me about masturbating – if you focus on anyone without their consent that doesn’t play does it? And if it’s with their consent you’re in a two way relationship aren’t you. I think the secretary thing is fudging saying that’s polyamory it all has to do with what is or is not appropriate, and beoing human. Why talk about polyamory when you are talking about human kindness and friendship.
It’s like mutual masturbation, that’s foreplay.
As you can see it has been rather a rough and long week or make that decade – praps I’m missing the point
love
Pam
I know there is a lot more to respond to in that text (too much to go at in the time I have today) but it never fails to stagger me how many people I know who are in a relationship but have no female friends if they are male, or male friends if they are female. And it is the norm. If I bring it up at dinner when we’re together, one or other of them just roll their eyes upwards as if to say, if only, but he/she won’t let me.
I have also become used to being dropped by male friends when they meet ‘the one’ (sigh). And interestingly enough, when I met my current partner, male friends on the scene dropped me – and they were all married! Go figure as they say. Not really friends at all it seems, waiting for something to happen??? Weird. Same thing happened to my partner – his female chums have all buggered off, when he met me.
As a P.S., I just wanted to say that I thought that photo of Naomi from the BoB is just beautiful, and quite my favourite so far.